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TAPS
Thank you so very much for this comment. It expresses what it is all about. I do agree. I get off track at times; I appreciate your being able to right the skew so often. Be blessed dear lady. I do want people to have an open forum here.
posted by
Justi
on July 18, 2007 at 2:20 PM
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FOG
I am. Thank you for such a kind comment. Be blessed.
posted by
Justi
on July 18, 2007 at 2:17 PM
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Justi
May I respond to proc's comment and just say that I feel no need at all to "uplift religions", not even my own. It is people who need to be uplifted, people of all religions and those who claim to have none, all have need of God's grace and mercy. To spend time finding fault with the religions only negates the claim to love mankind and causes unrepairable rifts. Thank you Justi for providing a forum where these things can be discussed openly.
posted by
TAPS.
on July 18, 2007 at 1:32 PM
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Justi - Good post. I hope you are contnuing to feel better. I've not
been around much, will visit when I can. Blessings to you.
posted by
FoliageGold
on July 18, 2007 at 10:08 AM
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posted by
Amanda__
on July 18, 2007 at 10:06 AM
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Kabu
People can be so cruel. I am so sorry you are going through such unnecessary trouble. Yes God will walk you through just like in the 23rd psalm. "Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil for thou are with me. Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me." He will be your comfort in all things. Just talk to him and tell on those ugly people and he will take charge of the matter.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 8:30 PM
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Afzal
Thank you. We all need a life raft at times.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 8:04 PM
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Proc
Thank you for this comment. Taps is a wonderful peacemaker.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 8:03 PM
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Hi justi I think so long as I keep my eyes on God himself
that has to be my main focus. right now.
posted by
Kabu
on July 17, 2007 at 8:02 PM
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Good post !
posted by
afzal50
on July 17, 2007 at 7:16 PM
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Thank you TAPS for putting in a nutshell what Ive been going on at length
about. All religions,and Im going to include the Eastern religions here,need to be uplifted and we need to seek the good in each other's differences.
God is too big to be confined to a particular religion. But Im happy to know God in the context of the Catholic faith.
posted by
proc
on July 17, 2007 at 7:04 PM
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Okay....
will have a scrounge around at home. And thankyou, I'm not trying to tell anyone how to live their lives or what to believe. If someone can believe in something (that brings no harm to others) and they're happy, well that's all that matters. I will have a look, they're probably in storage somewhere.
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dark_mistress
on July 17, 2007 at 6:42 PM
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dark mistress
There are lots of studies of religions that are copies of Judeo Christianity out there. These are where we must be carefull not to take our word from the false doctrins, or false prophets. I would love to see what you are talking about. You be blessed, I appreciate your comments.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 6:25 PM
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Yes I know...I worded it wrong.
The bible has been changed many a time. Yes most of the meanings and basic underlayings will remain the same. I'm not disputing that. But there have been many verses removed that most people don't know about. The original texts which are extremely hard to come by and if you did find them would pay for the nose through, are littered with a God that was much more vengeful than what is present in todays writings. I have all my study notes on it and photocopied vereses around somewhere, I'll email them to you. I'm not disputing religions, I think everyone's beliefs are valid and so long as you do the right thing by everyone and are goodperson with compassion and empthy then it doesn't matter where you're coming from. I spent many about 2 years doing in depth religious study, and there are a lot of images ans stories in the bible which can be found in religions that were around before christianity. I'm not disputing God for one second, but I think perhaps that many people should do a lot of detective work rather than taking their readings for granted. But you're right on one account, the main points in the bible do remain valid regardless of which version you read. But then agian, they are aslo basic common sense and good morals.
posted by
dark_mistress
on July 17, 2007 at 6:20 PM
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dark mistress
Did you think I meant there was a new testament or a rewriting of the Bible? No this is the part of the Bible after the Birth of Jesus begining at Matthew. The Holy Bible begins with Genesis. There is not a new "Bible".
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 5:58 PM
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dark mistress....
I have never seen a Catholic or Anglican Bible. The usual regular etc., Bible is not changed in concept at all. If you want to know what any word means from its original writing simple look it up in a Hebrew or Greek translation. There are some views some denominations have that differ from others. That is not the change in the Bible but the difference in the reader's belief. The Bible gives the reader new revelation without changing anything al all. God speaks to and has always spoken to mankind. You are familiar with the 31 Proverb that is a woman who is a business woman, sells her goods on the international market, has a household, a properous income with staff of servants. The thing to really seeing the depth is to begin at the begining and read it, just read it over and over until it begins to open up like an onion to you. The Holy Sp[irit is your teacher
The original wording is not at all unkind to women. I have heard the Old Testament read in transliteration of Hebrew and it is awesome. Yes it is God's word. It tells the future and has for centuries and those prophecies have been fulfilled.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 5:56 PM
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The new testament....
that's the problem. How can it be God's word when the bible has been changed time and time again to fit in with one faith's view or beliefs. Who sits with God and asks him if they can change what was written? I don't believe that the original words of the bible were so comforting or enlightning in respects to women. I am familiar with all you mentioned but as I said, who sits with God and gets his permission to edit the bible to suit their particualr faith? Because I'd like to meet them, they must be pretty damned special. The words of the bible vary from christian faith to christain faith. Some are plain sexist intheir wordings and other's like yours are lot more enlightened. But I know for a fact that the original wording was never such.
posted by
dark_mistress
on July 17, 2007 at 5:26 PM
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Dark Mistress
Wonderful comment. Have you read about Deborah the Judge over all Isreal? Or about Jaeil whom God sent the enemy to her tent she killed him and won the fight fro freedom. Ester who saved the totality of the Jewish people. Do you know about Tamar, Juda's daughter in law? God killed two men because of the Cannanite blood in them so she would be the woman to carry the DNA forward to be in the line of Christ?
At the fall God didn't appear to make woman such a sloutch. He tells her all the things that will confront her but he also leaves her in a good condition considering the situation. Go to the new testament as see where all the stuff about submission etc., It never says a woman must love her husband but it says he must love her as Christ loved the Chruch.
The word Church is not Catholic or Protestant but the group of believers who follow his mandates and have him in their heart. He must be first over any other in their lives. Those people make up the church.
Thank you so much for commenting.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 5:13 PM
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Okay....
I wasn't referring to women pastors or anything like that. The bible says straight from the get go that eve was created out of adam for him. Women have never had a place. We were created soley to stand by men, carry their seed and have there children. The only female who had any importance in biblical times was Mary and she was still only important because she carried the son of god. Eve was the one that lead them astray and so was the evil one. Yes many faiths have changed their views and have allowed women to serve higher purpose within the church, but ultimately we were created as an inferior gender. You can ignore that and change the way society veiws it but when I was a child reading my bible every night, it was there plain as day time and time again. We were created as nothing more than company and seed carriers. Don't get me wrong, motherhood is a blessed thing. But where do you think the inequality and hardships women have faced for centuries orginated from? I'm not picking on you, and I'm not running down anyone's belief sytem. So please don't take it like that.
posted by
dark_mistress
on July 17, 2007 at 5:01 PM
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Enigmatic
Thank you for your apology since you found the answer was correct and was as I said in the Bible. As I said before I am not here to argue from my experiences but what the Bible says. I do understand exactly what the Pope said and millions of others do too. So that is it... Only from the dictates of the Bible can anyone truly be a Christian. Yes I believe God can, will and has spoken through some Popes, He has spoken through so many people some with absolutely no power or education of their own once he spoke through a mule. (That is in the Bible). He will never, never speak anything to anyone whatever their level anything contrary to the Bible. This is the last time I want to have to defend myself to you. It is like dueling with an unarmed man. You know nothing about the Bible and everything is about the Bible that is associated with this subject.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 4:37 PM
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MS
Thank you dear one. I appreciate your response. Be blessed.
posted by
Justi
on July 17, 2007 at 4:28 PM
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Religon...is so hard to understand everybody personal beliefs.
I have my own personal beliefs, I feel very happy with that.....I don't judge anybody for what they believe in...it's up to them...as long as I am/you're, happy with what I/you believe in, then that is all that should matter....right?
I am so sorry, you are getting a hard time....love ya
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_Symphony_
on July 17, 2007 at 3:25 PM
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Justi
I talked to someone with much more knowledge than myself, on this issue - my mother - and I sincerely apologize for my "Enquirer" remark - St. Peter, the first Pope of the Catholic Church (according to the Roman Catholic Faith), was indeed, married. Humility is a good quality for all Christians to have - Catholic or Protestant. But you're still wrong on your interpretation of what this Pope said. It wasn't about Protestants being "inferior" or "not being true Christians," - he was basically just saying that, while Protestants aren't Catholics (obviously), and vice-versa, you are all Christians - sounds like plain, common sense, to me. Is that too painful for you to deal with, for some reason? I noticed that you didn't respond to anything I said about Pope John Paul II - or do you have to go "find" some "facts" to dispute what I said about him? And, just for the record, would you say that you "know" that God doesn't ever speak through Catholic Popes, or that you "believe" that to be true? And, once again, you haven't responded to the idea that I put forth, that if you are anti Papacy, you are therefore, anti any member of the "Catholic Body," who strongly believes in the Papacy, like my beloved mother.
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Enigmatic68
on July 17, 2007 at 2:53 PM
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Justi
It seems that any and all religions, churches, denominations, cults, faiths, clergies, congregations, etc., are disparaged vehemently at one time or other by other believers and non-believers alike. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could spend more time at building each other up instead of tearing down. I don't know any catholic friends who are happy about those priests and leaders of their church who have been guilty of molesting children. Nor do I know any protestants who are not disgusted when their leaders have been guilty of the same.
posted by
TAPS.
on July 17, 2007 at 2:00 PM
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posted by
Ariala
on July 17, 2007 at 1:40 PM
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Justi
While I understood your intent I did not realize others did not...I am sure they will appreciate the clarification sweet lady...
posted by
Offy
on July 17, 2007 at 1:37 PM
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