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NOPEACE - you are such an impressive individual

Wow, in one of your past comments you stated that you were working on your PHD and that you were going to run for the state legislature. Amongst all of this you still find time to sit in front of a computer for hours and blog. That is of course when you are not sitting on your boat smoking big fat cigars. Wow again, most of us can only dream of being the incredibly intelligent person that you are with such a successful and rewarding life. It's only a shame that you are simply dreaming of this life as well. You've made it obvious that the tools of your trade could not possibly be communication skills, cunning and computer literacy. Your vocation more likely involves a broom, mop or shovel. Not that there is anything wrong with that but there is a lot wrong with constantly lying and plagiarising the work of others. 

posted by gomedome on June 14, 2006 at 6:52 AM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE

are you going to the Disneyworld event?

posted by Xeno-x on June 14, 2006 at 6:44 AM | link to this | reply

here -- NOPEACE - read below -- like everything you bring up

that you purport comes from the Bible, I have copied actual passages from the Bible that de,monstrate that you either have grossly misinterpreted them or you have not read them at all.

again, with Daniel -- the writer there is, according to many Bible scholars, writing the past tense, not the future -- what he is saying "is to come" had come already at the time it was written -- around 300 - 200 or so BCE.

I would ask why haven't you answered some of my comments using Bible verses to demonstrate the errors in your statements.

I would not at all be a part of this discussion and join in the opposition here to you except you do make such invalid statements.  I feel the need to point them out -- take the discussion in another direction rather than direct attacks at you .  (although publishing things and making them seem like your own when they really aren't is a very, very serious thing).

posted by Xeno-x on June 14, 2006 at 6:43 AM | link to this | reply

Sunnybeach7 - there is a disconnect from any form of reason

The man's own words very seldom constitute any form of debate but instead are a muddled jumble of bible quotes followed up by accusations. Like the dumb puppy that keeps peeing on the carpet no matter how many times you slap him on the head, he keeps coming back to embarrass himself further. I wonder if he will ever catch on that no one believes his lies? I also wonder if he has any idea how a plagiarist is viewed by other aspiring writers? He sure doesn't seem to understand the significance of plagiarism.

posted by gomedome on June 14, 2006 at 6:35 AM | link to this | reply

Ezekiel saw the wheel, NOPEACE

Eze 1:1

Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth [month], in the fifth [day] of the month, as I [was] among the captives by the river of Chebar, [that] the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.

Eze 1:2

In the fifth [day] of the month, which [was] the fifth year of king Jehoiachin's captivity,

Eze 1:3

The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.

Eze 1:4

And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness [was] about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

Eze 1:5

Also out of the midst thereof [came] the likeness of four living creatures. And this [was] their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

NOPEACE -- tell me where this in any manner is prophecy.    You can say I'm wrong but you have to demonstrate where I am wrong.
I don't think anyone can read these verses and say that they are predicting anything.

posted by Xeno-x on June 14, 2006 at 6:30 AM | link to this | reply

Doesn't even have respect for those he claims to be "his own kind" so to speak.

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on June 13, 2006 at 10:10 PM | link to this | reply

"claims"

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on June 13, 2006 at 10:08 PM | link to this | reply

gomedome

Yes, the keyword here being "claim".

Whatever education he may or may not have, he's extreamly arrogant.

 

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on June 13, 2006 at 10:08 PM | link to this | reply

Sunnybeach7 - at my college we were made to care about plagiarism

We worked under a zero tolerance policy. A paper submitted even without proper acreditation given for reference material could result in a failing grade. A term paper containing anything not properly accredited could result in failing the class. Do you think it's different at Harvard where this person claims to have graduated from? The childlike reasoning in his arguments on this subject and the cavalier attitude towards taking credit for the work of others that he maintains, tells me all I need to know.  

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 10:01 PM | link to this | reply

kooka

Didn't you read his latest?
He "doesn't care" that what he's doing is plagiarism.

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on June 13, 2006 at 9:53 PM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives - there will be no intelligent refutation

I see the game now. There is nothing in the arsenal. If the man ever had to face reality or back his words he would be lost. Yet, as long as he keeps coming back for a slap in the head, I will be happy to provide him with one.

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 9:53 PM | link to this | reply

So NOPEACE

Why is it that you have not addressed any of those examples I gave of where I have proven you wrong? Why are you changing the subject and trying to draw attention away from that?  What are you trying to hide here?

I come out showing you where I have done what you claimed I have not and you go and do nothing but insult and try to discredit me through childish misdirection.  Are you not able to defend your views agiasnt what logic, reason and facts that I use?

Seriously, do you pay the least amount of attention to what you write (Or what you steal from other people and post as if they were your own writings)?

posted by kooka_lives on June 13, 2006 at 9:45 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE - how incredibly crass

Claiming to have material wealth is another thing that you have said to the wrong person. You've completely shown us who you are and your inherent shallowness. The truth of the matter is that neither Kooka or myself fall into the category of stupid people. Both of us actually have post secondary school educations, we have not seen any need to manufacture credentials beyond what we have legitimately earned. Every word that we both put to print in our posts is entirely original work or has the proper accreditation to the real author. You cannot say the same.  Spare yourself the future embarrassment. You've claimed to be a successful and licensed financial services professional yet you argue like a grade schooler over common knowledge copyright issues. Give it up, you are simply too dumb to maintain the charade.   

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 8:45 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE

You're the one claiming to be the "Christian" remember. A claim I think is all it is.
"Thou shalt not steal" ...remember.

And you smoke to boot! I can imagine a pretty picture of you preaching the bible with a cancer stick hanging out of your mouth. That doesn't make a good impression on others, when you are destroying the "temple" that God gave you, smoking that crap.

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on June 13, 2006 at 8:36 PM | link to this | reply

Kooka, Gome

I say this from the bottom of my heart.  You guys are stupid.  Wannabe writers Gome, that's funny.  That's another thing, I'm not a wanna be writer.  I have no desire to be published. You guys don't care what the creator of the universe and even your pathetic lives say in the bible but I'm suppose to care what someone says about plagarism. PLEASE.  My thoughts on that are the same if not worse than your thoughts on God.

Instead of being a wannabe why dont you become? If you have talent, hang your balls out there and see what happens, go write a book.  A blog is defined as: an online diary; a personal chronological log of thoughts.  But I guess you have nothing else of importance going on in your life except this.  Go ahead and block me Gome, prove just how jealous you are that I'm MENSA and you're not, because I went to an Ivy League school and you went wherever. 

Kooka, you piggy back off whatever Gome says so let your feelings be as equally hurt because of your jealousy. I think this weekend I'll sit on the deck of my boat in Savannah smoke a cigar and think about the degree I used to get where I am to pay for those things that you guys say I don't have.  It's funny.

And Kooka, I'm afraid to admit my mistakes. I'm sorry I've entertained the stupidity of you and Gome for so long. See, that wasnt so hard. 

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 8:21 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE

Whether or not Gome or Kooka can argue a point with you or not is not the issue at hand here.
And I have my own beliefs and don't get "duped" by anyone.

This is not about you being a Christian, but about you being an intellegent human being.  I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt here and assume you are intellegent.  You MAY feel that you "should" be free to copy these works of others because they're all within your faith, right?
Well, think about this...first of all, these are people of your faith, one's whom you should feel you should have much consideration for, correct?  Second, these people may likely have worked hard comming up with the right words and how to present them.  How would you feel if it were you?

Now as far as I know, no one has turned you in here for this. That shows that no one has any real "hate" for you even though there are many separation of beliefs. 
All that was asked was that you correct these things, the one's that were not your own words, and either change them into your own words, or delete those entries.

You may or may not have known that you were doing wrong. But by not correcting the error, you're only proving that what people are saying is true.

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on June 13, 2006 at 8:10 PM | link to this | reply

kooka_lives - it is either high or bi-polar

There is an ebb and flow to this man's lucidity with big gaping holes in his mandatory knowledge base. You can't get through any college not knowing what he doesn't know.  At the end of the day he isn't smart enough to realize any of this, or why his pathetic bluff fell apart immediately.

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 8:05 PM | link to this | reply

My mistake

That should be 'rear' not 'read'.

 See how easy it is for the average person to admit they did something wrong.  You should give it a try NOPEACE.  When you screw up be a man and admit it.   I guess you are too 'high' to understand that.

posted by kooka_lives on June 13, 2006 at 7:56 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE

posted by kooka_lives on June 13, 2006 at 7:53 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE -- You had better read the rules regarding author accreditation

There is at least a loose standard of copyright guidelines for the internet. Someone should have told you right out that you can be booted off of any writing site for plagiarising. You really don't know a lot for a supposedly educated man.

 

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 7:51 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE -- You can bet that there is anger implied in my comments to you

You make me very angry. I'm a wannabe author just like the majority of people here. You are lying about being a plagiarist. A plagiarist is not a welcome addition to any writing site.  I made the last three sentences as short as possible so that your puny little brain could absorb the points made in each of them. Your writing has gone from poor to articulate and back again too many times for us to think that you are the man behind the articulate words. You've been caught in too many lies to count. You have attained absolute zero in credibility and now that you have accomplished this feat you want adults to take you seriously? . . . Grow up boy.   

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 7:41 PM | link to this | reply

Sunny

I'm not claiming anything but that is an interesting point that you bring up.  Do you know who I am? No and neither does Kooka.  Whose to say that I was not one of those writer?  Whose to say that I don't know those writers personally and received permission?  You can not prove anything.  For the record also, I'm not trying to justify anything.  My belief is that when you are spreading the Gospel of God, there is no copying because everything has already been said before.  I could understand if I was submitting my work for some sort of contest or some sort of grade but I'm not.  I've made no bones about the fact of why I'm here which is to spread the word of God. 

Also, notice how Gome and Kooka has done exactly what I wrote about in a previous blog which is to divert attention away from the true purpose of discussion which is the existence of God.  If it's not Nopeace spelled this word incorrectly or Nopeace used this phrase grammatically incorrect it's where did Nopeace get his material.  Don't get duped by them Sunny the question is not whether or not the material I displayed is copyed or not but can Kooka and Gome argue against the soundness of the facts presented within that material.  I say no they cannot because if they could, we would not be having this discussion.

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 7:39 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE

We're not talking about bible passages that happen to be in your blog.
We are talking about word for word posts that have been proven "word for word" to be coming from other writers.
Or are you claiming to belong to those sites and be the writer of this material also?

posted by Afzal_Sunny7 on June 13, 2006 at 7:19 PM | link to this | reply

Gome

The question has been asked an answered, how are you copying something that is coming out of the bible?  You orignally brought up IQ in a futile attempt to prove how much more intelligent than me you are at the attempt backfired.  Instead of accepting that, you question and deny my achievements. Why?   That is normally what a person does when they are jealous.  They cry out to anyone who will listen trying to discredit or disprove the accomplishments of the person they are jealous of.  Like I said, it doesn't matter to me whether you believe or not, I know what I've done and I can easily prove it by revealing my identity.  Can you prove otherwise without pontificating on what you think a Ivy Leaguer should write like or think like?  I think not.  Again, don't be jealous it's not healthy.  I can feel the anger in the words you type.

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 7:00 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE - you brought the subject of MENSA up in the first place

As a weak attempt to somehow give your porous contentions some artificial intellectual weight. The only problem with your attempt is that unless you are copying and pasting someone else's work, you aren't capable of constructing a valid thought of your own.  But instead of feigning some type of childish amusement that only you seem to think is fooling anyone, why don't you answer the question being posed to you? How it is that a person who insists that they are an Ivy League college graduate and a MENSA member could possibly not know the rules of proper author accreditation? How is that? How does someone survive in an environment where this knowledge is mandatory? The plain and simple truth is that I have no need to be jealous of someone such as you. All I have to do to easily duplicate your intellectual prowess is fall off of a 3 storey building and land on my head. . . retard.

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 5:12 PM | link to this | reply

OOOOH

I laugh everytime you reply to me Gome because you bring up MENSA. It really hurts you doesn't it?  If I shattered your ego I would like to apologize.  My accomplishments don't make you any less of a person in my mind but it obviously does to you since you continue to pontificate on them.  Let it go man, it's not healthy.

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 4:45 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE - you are retarded - plain and simple

 

You demonstrated this when you were caught publishing the work of others without proper accreditation and then pleaded innocence. What constitutes plagiarism and the proper means of acknowledgement to contributing authors is just about the first thing a person learns at any college. Further, if you ever actually sat in a room full of MENSA members, you would know that the issue of plagiarism is one of great importance to them, as many members have published works, both academic and commercial, that are intellectual properties. You can carry on about your imaginary demons or whatever nonsense you want to. It matters not to me if you insist on living this lie, just don't expect me to ever pander to your illusions of grandeur. 

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 1:32 PM | link to this | reply

Gome

The first step is always acknowleding that you have a problem.  You know that jealousy is the work of the devil.

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 1:03 PM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE -- yeah right - that's exactly what it is

I am so jealous of your "obvious" intellect that I just have to keep mentioning it. Don't let my hysterical laughter disuade you from maintaining this facade.  

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 1:00 PM | link to this | reply

Xeno

I'm sorry but your wrong, everything I said came straight from the bible.  Also Gome, maybe you keep mentioning the MENSA thing because you were not intelligent enough to be accepted.  Again, jealous rears its ugly head.  Another thing.  Like I've said many times before, it does not matter to me what you believe about me, I know the truth and that's all that matters. 

Xeno, read your bible then come back with a debate.  Show your facts as I did instead of mentioning theological study.  The theologians debate Jesus (God himself) in the temple. 

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 12:52 PM | link to this | reply

ariel70 - I'm careful not to use the term "the devil in me"

I have visions of holy water being sprinkled on computers all across Blogit land when that term is uttered.

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 12:33 PM | link to this | reply

Gome again ( Gettin' a bit repetitious this, isn't it?)

 

And hey! Isn't " intelligent" and " designer" a bit of an oxymoron? Like Military Intelligence"?

posted by ariel70 on June 13, 2006 at 12:07 PM | link to this | reply

Gome

 

Yep, know the feelin'.

Is it the Devil in us, do you think? If so, do you know a good exorcist? Can't find one in the Malaga/Melilla Yellow Pages.Pleaty of time-share guys, estate agents, car-hire, etc.

Like cops, one can never find an excorcist when one needs one most.

posted by ariel70 on June 13, 2006 at 12:04 PM | link to this | reply

Gomedome et al

 

ER ... have I blundered into an AA meeting? If I have, don't expect me to stand up an' say " Hi, I'm Ariel, and I'm an acoholic." 'cos I'm not.

I mean, all these weird and wonderful chimaera an' other beasties, it's enuff to drive one to drink! Hic!

posted by ariel70 on June 13, 2006 at 12:01 PM | link to this | reply

ariel70 - you're right - but I couldn't resist

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 11:59 AM | link to this | reply

Gomedome

 

Ouch, Gomey! That was a bit below the belt wasn't it???? LOL

posted by ariel70 on June 13, 2006 at 11:58 AM | link to this | reply

Xeno-x - he must be off to a MENSA meeting

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 11:41 AM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE

I'VE GOT TO SING IN ON THIS.

Ezekiel, as I recall, described what he saw on a plain outside of Babylon -- a wheel in a wheel and all that -- this has been described recently as a spaceship -- he was describing his present.

Daniel, on the other hand -- the book itself -- was written somewhere around the time of the Maccabees and not during the Babylonian captivity.  This is pretty well accepted in many theological circles.  It then is not prophecy, but a recounting of the past as if it were prophecy.  If something like this is made to look like prophecy enough, then it becomes such in the minds of later generations.

Ezekiel and Daniel are different -- but the Babylonian representations are evident, such as Cherubim, a being from Egyptian and particularly Babylonian picturing -- a bull with a human head, maybe a lion's tail and hindquarters (???) and an eagle's wings -- which creatures covered the Ark of the Covenant and Holy of Holies. -- which actually was vacant, denoting that god is not an image.

posted by Xeno-x on June 13, 2006 at 10:42 AM | link to this | reply

gomedome

I want to comment on this another time. This is an excellent post. Thanks for shoring it. I have a personal take on it (who would've guessed) but thank you. I won't be writing for a few days, but I will get back.

posted by Justi on June 13, 2006 at 10:09 AM | link to this | reply

SuccessWarrior - I certainly understand that

It is just a book. Written and continually edited with extreme bias throughout its existence.

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 9:59 AM | link to this | reply

btw, I did not purposely misspell Jesus, slipped up on that

posted by SuccessWarrior on June 13, 2006 at 9:30 AM | link to this | reply

I think you are both missing the point

It's a book.  Who ever wrote it could write it anyway they wanted.  The scar on Harry Potter's head could have been in the shape of a crescent moon but the author chose the symbol for lightning.  The person that wrote the bible could have picked one person, two people, or a dozen people to have this same dream.  He chose three and then had one of them be able to interpret it.

You're on Blogit.  You're writers.  As Stephen King said when criticised about using the initials J.C. for his miraculous character in Green Mile and the too obvious connection to Jeses Christ, it's not rocket science.  Pick the symbolism you want and go with it.

posted by SuccessWarrior on June 13, 2006 at 9:29 AM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE - I'm not missing that "fact" at all

3 different men with the same inexplicable vision filtered through the extreme bias of those who believed that everything beyond explanation was the work of God will produce one meaning. Even determining that which could have been physically witnessed or an hallucination was instead a dream is where this filtering began.  That was the entire point of this post which escaped you. When someone looks at these ancient chronicles (and they are really nothing more than that) and does so without the predetermined bias of thinking that each and every word must support the existence of God, quite often rational explanations can be ascribed to the events. 

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 9:12 AM | link to this | reply

Gome

I not debating the fact that they did not have the vocabulary to describe what they saw, that is why God revealed it to them in the form of animals to attempt to give them a better understanding of what they were seeing.  However, Daniel was the one with the ability to interpret what was being seen and that could only have been revealed to him by God.  Also, only God could give 3 different men similar dreams with the exact same meaning.

We're in agreement on the vocabulary but I think you're missing my point on the significance of 3 different men, 3 similar dreams, 1 meaning.

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 9:01 AM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE - the answer just like you, is painfully simple

Three different people saw something simular and did not have the vocabulary or knowledge to describe it adequately.   

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 8:54 AM | link to this | reply

Gome

As usual you missed my point because you are so use to trying to discredit anything I say.  If you read the bible and the books within it, you'll see that Ezekiel had a vision about future events that because of the lack of technology, he could not fully understand or interpret. 

Nebuchadnezzar had a dream that troubled him but he could not remember the dream.  Daniel prayed to God to reveal the dream to him and he told Nebuchadnezzar the dream that he himself could not remember but knew it troubled him. 

Daniel himself recieved the same vision as Ezekiel.  How is it possible that at least 3 different people would have similar dreams when interpreted means the EXACT same thing unless there is a divine being (GOD) revealing it to them?

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 8:47 AM | link to this | reply

SuccessWarrior - we can assume two things in this regard

If a man of the ancient world were to witness the use of highly advanced technology he would not have the understanding or vocabulary to describe it adequately.  It is also very likely that he would have an extreme bias towards believing in the existence of a supernatural creator being.  

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 8:41 AM | link to this | reply

NOPEACE - as per usual, you miss the entire point

and solidify my contention while doing so.

I mention the bias that all humans who believe in God have, as predetermining their interpretations of these types of visions. As all manifestations and visions are derived entirely from the human mind and the God that you attempt to reconcile with reality could not possibly exist, it's safe to say that these visions where of something else. Extra terrestrials is not something that I find to be a completely reasonable explanation for these visions, it's just a whole lot better than some imagined omnipotent sky daddy who uses magic.  

posted by gomedome on June 13, 2006 at 8:37 AM | link to this | reply

Unable to distinguish between the two, Ezekial thought the aliens were gods

posted by SuccessWarrior on June 13, 2006 at 8:26 AM | link to this | reply

E.T. Huh?

Gome, I see you started with Eze 1:4 explaining how the "aliens" decended to the earth in view of Ezekiel.  However, you left out Eze 1:1 where it states "...the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God."  Ezekiel was receiving prophetic messages from God.  The Book of Ezekiel is full of prophetic messages from God.

If you read Daniel, he received the same vision as Ezekiel. 

"I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea.  And four great beasts came up from th sea, each different from the other.  The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings.  I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man's heart was given to it. (Dan. 7:2-4)"

King Nebuchadnezzar had the same vision but in a different form.  Nebuchadnezzar dream can be found in Daniel 2:31-45.

Daniel saw four beast just as Ezekiel.  The Visions they saw were about future events that were to come to pass. Ezekiel saw the vision, Daniel interpreted it.  The vision corresponds to the military strength of nations that would develop in the future.

The First Beast

Daniel saw four beast rise up from the sea. The first was like a lion with the wings of an eagle; Which is the exact representation of the Babylonian national symbol, a winged lion.  Daniel had already seen the fulfillment of this vision because he was living in it.  It was the kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar who had risen to enormous heights of accomplishments and took pride in his success. 

Babylon was doomed to failure.  History shows that on October 13, 556 B.C, Cyrus the Great of Persia defeated Babylon's army on the Tigris River just south of modern day Baghdad. 

The Second Beast

And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear.  It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth.  And they said thus to it: "Arise, devour much flesh!" (Dan. 7:5).

The second beast, a lopsided bear represents the Medo-Persiand Empire.  The three ribs in the bear's mouth graphically illustrated the three prominent conquest of the empire:  These conquest were Lydia in 546 B.C., Babylon in 539 B.C., and Egypt in 525 B.C.  Several kings ruled this empire including King Ahasuerus (Xerxes) in the book of Esther.

The Third Beast

After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird.  The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it. (Dan. 7:6)

The third beast, the leopard with four wings and four heads, represents Greece under Alexander the Great.  The leopard is a swift animal, symbolizing the blinding speed with which Alexander's military army attacked its enemy (The Blitzkrieg).  History makes the significance of the four heads more clear.

In 323 B.C. at age 32, Alexander the Great died in Babylon.  At his death, his four leading generals divided his kingdom:  Ptolemy I took Israel and Egypt; Seleucus I took over Syria and Mesopotamia; Lysimachus took over Thrace and Asia Minor and Cassander took charge of Macedonia and Greece.

The Fourth Beast

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong.  It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet.  It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. (Dan. 7:7)

The fourth beast which was considered more terrifying than the others represents the Roman Empire and the final form of Gentile power on the earth.  Rome controlled central Italy by 338 B.C., adn the Empire gradually expanded.  Pompey the famous Roman general  conquered the Holy Land in 63 B.C. and Rome ruled Palestine with an iron fist during the time of Christ and after Christ.  In 70A.D. General Vespasian ordered the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was demolised just as Jesus had predicted it would be. 

The Roman Empire was never conquered but simply fell apart from struggles within.

 

 

posted by NOPEACE on June 13, 2006 at 8:23 AM | link to this | reply

gomedome - if I did not know better, I would think that my oldest daughter

got here by way of a whirl-wind from outer space!

posted by redwood on June 13, 2006 at 7:05 AM | link to this | reply