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I can't imagine that owning a gun could be a good thing, the Korean war was particularly bruital it damaged men who fought in it beyond repair, sorry about your loss. 

posted by Collene on February 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM | link to this | reply

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My feelings too, Chuck! Perhaps because of what happened to my Father, I have never felt the desire or need to own a gun. I take sensible safety precautions and have not been victimized. Thank you.

posted by Katray2 on January 15, 2013 at 7:32 AM | link to this | reply

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Thank you Jay and I'm sorry about your nephew and girlfriend. But as CCT said and the message of my sharing a dark family tragedy, guns make it too easy to maim and kill. And while I agree the effects of violent movies and games should be researched, fact is mass shootings in this country have been occurring for decades - here is a sampling of school and college shootings during the 50's and 60's:

April 25, 1950: Peru, Nebraska Dr. William Nicholas, 48, president of Peru State College and Dr. Paul Maxwell, 56, education department head, were shot to death at their desks by Dr. Barney Baker, 54-year-old psychology professor. Baker was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot at his home on campus.[61]

March 12, 1951: Union Mills, North Carolina Professor W. E. Sweatt, superintendent and teacher at the Alexander School, was shot to death by students Billy Ray Powell, 16, and Hugh Justice, 19. The assailants had been reprimanded by Sweatt, and they waited for him as he locked his office door.[63]

  • May 15, 1954: Chapel Hill, North Carolina Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their fraternity bedroom. The incident took place after an all-night beer party. Mr. Long reported to the police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7 a.m., Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he had obtained from the car of a former roommate.[73]
  • January 11, 1955: Swarthmore, Pennsylvania After some of his dormmates urinated on his mattress, Bob Bechtel, a 20-year-old student at Swarthmore College, returned to his dorm with a shotgun and used it to shoot and kill fellow student Holmes Strozier.[74]
  • May 4, 1956: Prince George's County, Maryland 15-year-old student Billy Prevatte fatally shot one teacher and injured two others at Maryland Park Junior High School after he had been reprimanded from the school.[75
  • February 2, 1960: Hartford City, Indiana Principal Leonard Redden shot and killed two teachers with a shotgun at William Reed Elementary School before fleeing into a remote forest, where he committed suicide.[81]
  • March 30, 1960 Alice, Texas Donna Dvorak, 14, brought a .22 target pistol to Dubose Junior High School, and fatally shot Bobby Whitford, 15, in their 9th grade science class. Dvorak believed Whitford posed a threat to one of her girlfriends.[82]
  • June 7, 1960: Blaine, Minnesota Lester Betts, a 40-year-old mail-carrier, walked into the office of 33-year-old principal Carson Hammond and shot him to death with a 12-gauge shotgun.[83]
  • January 4, 1961: Delmont, South Dakota Donald Kurtz, 17-year-old senior at Delmont High School, was fatally wounded by a .22 caliber bullet from a rifle. The shot, intended as a sound effect for a school play, hit him in the chest during a rehearsal just minutes before the play was to take place.[84]
  • October 17, 1961: Denver, Colorado Tennyson Beard, 14, got into an argument with William Hachmeister, 15, at Morey Junior High School. During the argument Beard pulled out a .38 caliber revolver and shot at Hachmeister, wounding him. A stray bullet also struck Deborah Faith Humphrey, 14, who died from her gunshot wound.[85]
  • August 1, 1966: Charles Whitman age 25, climbed atop the observation deck at the University of Texas-Austin, and killed 16 people and wounded 31 during a 96-minute shooting rampage in the University of Texas massacre.[86]
  • October 5, 1966: Grand Rapids, Minnesota Grand Rapids High School student David Black, 15, killed school administrator Forrest Willey and seriously wounded fellow student Kevin Roth, 14.[87][88]

posted by Katray2 on January 15, 2013 at 7:27 AM | link to this | reply

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Too easy indeed, CCT! And you are right. Thank you..

posted by Katray2 on January 15, 2013 at 6:51 AM | link to this | reply

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I hope things will change, Dear Sam..Thank you..

posted by Katray2 on January 15, 2013 at 6:49 AM | link to this | reply

I am really sorry to hear about your dad. I am sure that was devastating to you and your family. I am totally against the guns. Especially when People have a collection of guns at home that they feel so proud of.  In the best of scenarios people shouldn't have more than one gun.

posted by Chuck_E_Ibrahim on January 15, 2013 at 3:47 AM | link to this | reply

So sorry for your father. My nephew just did the same thing the day before Christmas with a bottle and his car...No accident that he drove off that cliff. And why should a knife or a baseball bat not as well be listed, and rocks and ropes and blunt objects. My high school girl friend hung herself, so should I hate ropes and cars? None of these things kill until we make them kill. And while we are at it should we not as well look at Hollywood and television and violent video games. These mass shooting were unheard of in the 50's and 60's when most television had a moral to it and pin ball was the game. 95% of all gun violance comes from illeagle guns...How do we control them? I own guns and had to pass a background check to get them. All my neighbors own guns and for 28 years there has not been a shot fired or a door locked. The cities with the highest crime rate have the strictest gun laws...Fix the cause, not the object.

 

posted by UtahJay on January 14, 2013 at 11:29 PM | link to this | reply

Your poor  Dad Ray, I suppose one could argue a length of rope is as lethal, but a gun is too easy in my opinion. Sadly those  should not have them are the most determined to do so.

posted by C_C_T on January 14, 2013 at 11:14 PM | link to this | reply

I am not opposed to a ban on assault weapons! The debate will always be there in my humble opinion! sam 

posted by sam444 on January 14, 2013 at 7:02 PM | link to this | reply

Re: again I won't comment on American internal affairs...I just say a thank you

I hope a similar sanity takes hold here, Dear Kabu. Thank you.

posted by Katray2 on January 14, 2013 at 6:23 PM | link to this | reply

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So do I, FSI. Thanks for reading!

posted by Katray2 on January 14, 2013 at 6:22 PM | link to this | reply

again I won't comment on American internal affairs...I just say a thank you

for Australian laws. My son has three guns for hunting. He must have a licence for each of them and they must be kept locked in a gun safe. He is the only person who knows the combination. Actually I don't think that they ever see the light of day.

posted by Kabu on January 14, 2013 at 12:36 PM | link to this | reply

I wonder what will become of the debate.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on January 14, 2013 at 9:42 AM | link to this | reply