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Hey ace, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, I think any mother who could kill her child is definitely "sick" as far as the addict goes, well, I'm from California, and also in recovery, 25 yrs plus some, I've lost count, but I think california is way too easy on drug offenders. Weed is damn near legal. I agree with your point on addiction being an illness, and that we as addicts make conscience choices, but I do also believe that there are some mental illnesses where choice is not an option, the disease takes over. The question I would have is what do we do? How do we know if something is curable, temporary, or if it's a life long ailment where the person is going to offend over and over again? I don't know>

posted by RamfamilyWritings on August 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM | link to this | reply

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good point. But, at the same time, addiction is considered as an illness. It was recognized more so earlier in the "olden days". As an addict in recovery, I've learned it's a genetic disposition and or inherited; making it a mental illness. But, society is more prone to throw the book at someone who cops drugs and is caught than someone like that "Casey"?? girl who murdered her daughter. I have other "mental" disorders such as PTSD and OCD. My point being, is at the end of the day, I make a choice and act on that choice. Regardless how serious that action is, I have to make a conscience decision. With that being said, if someone who is caught doing drugs, where I'm from, it could mean that individual being incarcerated for a year for possession of an ounce of weed. No one has compassion for the addict in my opinion. SO, while the pedofile or infant killer is definitely sick, I think incarceration and/or death is appropriate.

posted by aceblade on August 20, 2012 at 12:05 AM | link to this | reply

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Hey FS, thank you for your time and comment. It was a sad situation and it's not the first of it's kind. It happens more often than we realize, unfortunately. The question is, what do we do about it? How do we prevent this type of thing from happening and what should the punishment be for such a crime? Read Pannonians comment. I think she says it all in a nutshell. I loved her comment, as it's exactly the kind of thing I was thinking when I wrote this poem. Have a wonderful day FS and keep thinking, pondering, and learning.

posted by RamfamilyWritings on August 18, 2012 at 12:29 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Where is the girl in the blue dress?

I believe that everything happens for a reason and that there's a reason for eveything, even if that reason isn't present in the moment and may not present itself for a very long time. Some good will come from this tragedy, for some one, some time. I'm sure of it. Thank you for your comment ace.

posted by RamfamilyWritings on August 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM | link to this | reply

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Hi Pannonian, I love your comment. It's exactly the kind of dialogue I would want this poem to to start. I totally agree with everything you've said. I am very familiar with mental illness, I live with a person who's been diagnosed as mentally ill and I feel the same way as you described. People ask me all the time why I don't just leave and I reply with would I leave if he had cancer or diabetes or some other disease that isn't curable? I, myself have a disability that prevents me from working, it isn't visible to anyone looking at me, and the premise is that I'm just lazy and don't want to work, even to my children. I assure you, that isn't the case. At any rate, what do we do with people who are afflicted mentally? I don't know. I'm sure if we talked to the family members of such people, some of them would have a whole different take on how we, as a society, handle these situations, and of course I think it depends on the severity of the mental illness, the age of the person with the illness, there are so many factors to consider. I don't have the answers. I wish I did, it would make my life so much easier. Unfortunately, I don't think society is ready to open up the discussion. It's so much easier to sweep it under the rug or put bandaids on the issue, such as prisons and institutions. Thank you for your comment Pannonian. I hope others read it and at least start the process of thinking about it. It's a long time down the road for any stead fast solutions, but I suppose we have to start somewhere.

My sincere appreciation goes out to you for the thought you put into your comment.

posted by RamfamilyWritings on August 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM | link to this | reply

Where is the girl in the blue dress?

In Heaven with God where she can watch down on other little ones that are tortured and abused. She's an Angel..I believe that with all my heart! She is in a place that we can only hope we get to one day. Nice post. Sad but good post nonetheless. Ace..

posted by aceblade on August 18, 2012 at 10:39 AM | link to this | reply

controversyme

“ How could a mother do that to a child? I'll never understand that. …”

Well, the answer is perhaps a simple one. Any person capable of doing this is sick, pathologically sick, not much different from people who have cancer, or lung disease, except that these people have a disease in their head. We, as a society, accept people with cancer and with TB and we put them in hospices and sanatoria but have little idea what to do with people who are sick in the head and commit heinous acts like infanticide. Putting them in prisons or mental asylums is a soft option. I don’t know what the answer is. But society should have the courage to debate the issue and consider the options available. And what are the options? Death sentence? Prison and mental asylum? And if so – for how long? Banishment to a desert island? … But if one accepts the posit that these people are sick, should we also condemn people with cancer or TB to prisons and to desert islands? Of course not. But I maintain that killing the mentally ill, the ones sick in the head, or putting them behind bars for the rest of their lives is a very soft option, practiced by a lazy society unwilling to face up to realities and make tough decisions. - Pannonian

posted by Pannonian on August 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM | link to this | reply

So sad it is that this happened.

posted by FormerStudentIntern on August 17, 2012 at 11:01 AM | link to this | reply

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Hi Annicita, beautiful name btw, yes, this story was very sad. I heard about it on CNN a long time ago. It touched me so much I wrote this poem about it. Thank you for the visit, read, and comment. Your support is appreciated always.

posted by RamfamilyWritings on August 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM | link to this | reply

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Read the response to 2902's comment, it gives the background of how this poem originated. It amazes me how a mother can harm her child. It's bad when a father does a child harm, but for me, it's just so much worse when the damage done comes from a mother. I guess maybe because I'm a mother and couldn't imagine in my wildest nightmares doing harm to my children, or maybe it's because of the abuse I experienced from my own mother, I don't know, but when I hear something about a mother harming here child(ren) it really gets to me. Thank you for the visit, read, and comment CCT, as always your support is appreciated.

posted by RamfamilyWritings on August 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Good! Reminds me of the little girl with the one bit of color in

Hi 2902, thanks for the visit, read, and comment, as always it's appreciated. This was actually inspired by a true story I saw on CNN. The little girl went missing and her father had been searching for her for 30+ years. The mother kept moving and telling the father the little girl was with this person and that person and the father kept having to find where the mother moved, which is why it took so long for this to come about. It turned out the mother was eventually arrested and charged with the little girls murder and to this day hasn't given an explaination or let the father know what really happened to his daughter. It was a tragic story that touched my heart. It makes me sad to think of it even now. How could a mother do that to a child? I'll never understand that. Anyhow, that's how this poem came about. I'm glad you enjoyed it and look forward to your next visit and comment. Have a wonderful day.

posted by RamfamilyWritings on August 17, 2012 at 10:39 AM | link to this | reply