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i watched the utube clip that you posted
and it actually put tears in my eyes that the light may rise out of the islamic conciousness and stand together to make the world a better place. I pray that many more like this great man will follow and that Israel will finally be able to live in peace one day.

posted by Tzippy on December 26, 2009 at 7:26 AM | link to this | reply

gap

Your data speak for themselves...sadly...

And to Chuck:

Chuck, I did not ask you any questions - I made two statements 1) That Muslims conquered Jerusalem 2) That the remaining Jews and Christians lived there as dhimmi...

To 1): Being reasonably well versed in history, I am aware of the fact that Umar did not create a bloodbath in Jerusalem (where he had no business being, of course), unlike some other parts of the world, e.g. the Indian sub-continent, where Muslims slaughtered millions during their conquest. The difference? Jews and Christians are 'people of the book', Hindus are simply 'worthless idolaters'...

To 2): You are probably familiar with the Arabic term dhimmi.
For readers not familiar with it, and without going into great detail, it describes the second-class status of non-Muslims under Muslim rule.

There is a fairly extensive literature on the subject, one of the best being Bat Ye'or, The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam. From Jihad to Dhimmitude:7th - 20th Century, London, 1966

Also: The Dhimmi Factor in the Exodus of Jews from Arab Countries, in Malka Hillel Shulewitz, The Forgotten Millions. The Modern Jewish Exodus from Arab Lands (London/New York: Cassell, 1999

And, Chuck, don't try and instruct me in history...LOL

posted by Nautikos on December 21, 2009 at 11:44 AM | link to this | reply

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Chuck - Here are the "tolerant" peaceful outcomes of extremist Islamists (those that Hamid addresses with his "Jewish Heart').  If you ever researched Jewish history, you'd know that Jews do not attack others because of their religious beliefs (they are usually too busy BEING attacked and fighting off the enemy). I happen to know that these episodes are accurate - I have Muslim friends in Pakistan who can attest to them.  Do you even have the guts to speak out against the Taliban?  Would you have the guts to "do reform" with your Muslim heart?  Hamid is brave because he was once an extremist and can tell others how he was drawn into that life.  It's only when his "conscience woke up" - when he was forced to bury an "infadel" alive -that he realized how deranged those who preached that type of Islamic practice are.  If he feels that having a "Jewish Heart" makes him more human, maybe everyone should get one of those!  You are correct, though in one respect.  There were periods of time in history when Muslims were tolerant to other religions.  But not currently - and it's getting worse.
And this list of 100 victims of Islamic Terror is only within the past WEEK!
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2009.12.20 Somalia Mogadishu 1 3 One Somali is killed in a mortar attack by Islamic militia.
2009.12.19 Pakistan Poonch 1 2 An Indian border guard is shot by a Muslim sniper from Pakistan.
2009.12.19 Iraq Mosul 3 1 Jihadi gunmen take down three Iraqis in separate attacks.
2009.12.19 Thailand Narathiwat 3 2 Three Buddhists are incinerated when Muslim insurgents blow up a gas tank next to their truck.
2009.12.18 Pakistan Lower Dir 15 28 Children are among fifteen people blown to bits a mosque by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.12.18 Pakistan Haripur 3 0 A man and his wife are among three killed in their home by suspected Islamic hardliners.
2009.12.18 India Pulwama 2 0 Two people are dragged from their homes and murdered by Mujahideen. One has his throat slit.
2009.12.18 Iraq Sulaimaniyah 1 0 A civilian is gunned down on his doorstep by Muslim terrorists.
2009.12.18 Somalia Mogadishu 2 4 Two civilians are killed when a mortar fired by suspected Islamic militia strikes a house.
2009.12.17 Afghanistan Kandahar 7 3 Five women are among seven people murdered by Taliban roadside bombers.
2009.12.17 Ingushetia Nazran 2 24 Children are among the casualties of a suicide bombing. A separate shooting leaves two dead.
2009.12.17 Thailand Yala 2 0 A 2-year-old girl is gunned down along with her father by Holy Warriors.
2009.12.17 Pakistan Bara Tehsil 3 5 Three security force personnel are murdered in Taliban ambushes.
2009.12.17 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian man is shot to death in cold blood by Mujahideen.
2009.12.17 Iraq Baghdad 1 10 A pedestrian is killed by a roadside bomb.
2009.12.16 Thailand Yala 3 0 Three men are shot to death in separate shooting attacks by Islamic insurgents.
2009.12.16 Iraq Baghdad 2 5 Sunni bombers take down two Iraqis riding on a bus.
2009.12.16 Pakistan Khyber 4 27 Fundamentalists throw grenades into a music concert, killing at least four people.
2009.12.16 Afghanistan Herat 4 0 Four local cops are slaughtered by a Taliban roadside blast.
2009.12.15 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A woman is among two people incinerated by a thermal bomb.
2009.12.15 Pakistan Dera Ghazi Khan 33 60 Thirty-three shoppers at an outdoor market are blown apart by a Fedayeen suicide car bomber.

posted by gapcohen on December 21, 2009 at 10:52 AM | link to this | reply

Mal,

Sometimes the truth hurt. I go back 60 years and you think it is too much, but Nautikos is going back in the hundreds. I will answer his question first then I will go back to answer yours. When Omar Bin Al Khatab conquered Jerusalem. He didn't inflect any harm on the Christians or the Jews. This is becuase he was following the teaching of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) who taught tolerance for all religions.. (you can go back to history to verify). Also when the Muslem leader King Saladin conquerd Jerusalem. He was forgiving inspite of all the bloodshed that the crusaders cause previously. All what you have to do is watch the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" which shows the truth of what happensed. He led the Muslims against the Crusaders and eventually recaptured Palestine from the Kingdom of Jerusalem after his victory in the battle of Hattin. As such, he is a notable figure in the Islamic world and the region. His chivalrous behavior was noted by Christian chroniclers, especially in the accounts of the siege of Kerak in Moab, and despite being the nemesis of the Crusaders he won the respect of many of them, including Richard the Lionheart; rather than becoming a hated figure in Europe, he became a celebrated example of the principles of chivalery. (I'll leave you to do the research). As to Tawfic Hamid, which name was not introduced by the intervier.  In his book he mentioned the following "I am a Muslim by birth, I am a Christian by spirit, I am a Jew at heart." And normally people speak from the heart. In other words he speaks from a Jewish heart. Nothing wrong with that. But when a Muslim needs to do a reform, it should come from a Muslim heart. Watching the video, I think that Tawfic Hamid is bashing and cashing in the name of Islam. I hope this will answer all your questions. As history can tell the Muslims were very tolerant to all other religions. (Please do some research). 


posted by Chuck_E_Ibrahim on December 20, 2009 at 8:19 PM | link to this | reply

There's supposed to be a comma, not a period behind 1948,
and there supposed to a period after 648, and not a hyphen. One of these days I'll learn to check my comments before I press the 'send' button...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM | link to this | reply

gap
Chuck wants to go back in history - well, let's go back in history, LOL. Jerusalem was conquered by Umar in 637 AD - in 1948 AD. 1311 years later, the Jews just took back what they had been deprived off much earlier under Roman rule...70 AD, under Titus, 135 AD under Hadrian...Of course, Jews and Christians still lived there after the Muslim conquest, but as dhimmi...

posted by Nautikos on December 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM | link to this | reply

Re:
Chuck- Irgun ceased operations in 1948 when Israel was voted into existence.  Not sure why you're bringing up something that happened 60 years ago when it has nothing to do with the very BRAVE Muslim guy who decries terrorism and happens to be very fond of Israel.  I'm glad you liked the video.  Perhaps you can also take his message of peace out to the world.....Mal

posted by gapcohen on December 19, 2009 at 8:23 PM | link to this | reply

Mal,

Thank you for sharing this video, as it is always wonderful to change from a terrorist to a normal being. I also like to share with you another story that is more powerful about the change that can occur in people's life. Menachem Begin, became the the Prime Minister of Israel, then a Noble Prize Winner in the year 1978. Prior to that he was a terrorist that belongs to the right wing militant Zionist group Irgun. His pictures were posted as wanted terrorist by the British Police under the mandate of Palestine when he bombed the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. The attack was carried out on July 22, 1946. This was the start of terrorist in Palestine. The attack left 91 people killed and 46 were injured. The bombing has appeared in literature about terrorism in its practice and in its history. The bombing has been called one of the most lethal terrorist attacks of the 20th century. From a terrorist, to a Prime Minister, to a Noble Prize Winner. What a change in peoples life!!  Also I would like to add this attachment to show how many people were killed from this right wing zionist group who Begin was one of their leaders. I hope this information is useful.

List of Irgun attacks

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During the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine against the British Mandate of Palestine the militant Zionist group the Irgun carried out sixty attacks against Arabs and British soldiers.[1] Irgun was described as a terrorist organization by the New York Times[2][3], the Anglo-American Committee of Enquiry[4], prominent world figures such as Winston Churchill[5] and Jewish figures such as Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and many others[6]. The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs describes it as "an underground organization."[7]

Irgun launched a series of attacks which lasted until the beginning of World War II. All told, Irgun attacks against Arab targets resulted in at least 250 Arab deaths during this period. Following is a list of attacks resulting in death attributed to Irgun that took place during the 1930s. The Irgun conducted at least 60 operations altogether during this period.[8][9][10]

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[edit] List of Irgun attacks 1937-1948

Date  ↓ Casualties  ↓ References  ↓
1937, March 2 Arabs killed on Bat-Yam beach. [11]
1937 November 14 10 Arabs killed by Irgun units launching attacks around Jerusalem, ("Black Sunday") [12][13]
1938 April 12 2 Arabs and 2 British policemen were killed by a bomb in a train in Haifa. [13]
1938 April 17 1 Arab was killed by a bomb detonated in a cafe in Haifa [13]
1938 May 17 1 Arab policeman was killed in an attack on a bus in the Jerusalem-Hebron road. [13]
1938 May 24 3 Arabs were shot and killed in Haifa. [13]
1938 June 23 2 Arabs were killed near Tel-Aviv. [13]
1938 June 26 7 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jaffa. [13]
1938 June 27 1 Arab was killed in the yard of a hospital in Haifa. [13]
1938, June (late) Unspecified number of Arabs killed by a bomb that was thrown into a crowded Arab market place in Jerusalem. [14]
1938 July 5 7 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks in Tel-Aviv. [13]
1938 July 5 3 Arabs were killed by a bomb detonated in a bus in Jerusalem. [13]
1938 July 5 1 Arab was killed in another attack in Jerusalem. [13]
1938 July 6 18 Arabs and 5 Jews were killed by two simultaneous bombs in the Arab melon market in Haifa. [15][13]
1938 July 8 4 Arabs were killed by a bomb in Jerusalem. [13]
1938 July 16 10 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [13]
1938 July 25 43 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [16][13]
1938 August 26 24 Arabs were killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Jaffa. [13]
1938 February 27 33 Arabs were killed in multiple attacks, incl. 24 by bomb in Arab market in Suk Quarter of Haifa and 4 by bomb in Arab vegetable market in Jerusalem. [17]
1939 May 29 5 Arabs were killed by a mine detonated at the Rex cinema in Jerusalem. [13]
1939 May 29 5 Arabs were shot and killed during a raid on the village of Biyar 'Adas. [13]
1939 June 2 5 Arabs were killed by a bomb at the Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem. [18][13]
1939 June 12 1 British bomb expert trying to defuse the bombs killed, during a post office in Jerusalem was bombing [13]
1939 June 16 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Jerusalem. [13]
1939 June 19 20 Arabs were killed by explosives mounted on a donkey at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][19]
1939 June 29 13 Arabs were killed in several shooting attacks around Jaffa during a one-hour period. [13][20]
1939 June 30 1 Arab was killed at a marketplace in Jerusalem. [13]
1939 June 30 2 Arabs were shot and killed in Lifta. [13]
1939 July 3 1 Arab was killed by a bomb at a marketplace in Haifa. [13][21]
1939 July 4 2 Arabs were killed in two attacks in Jerusalem. [13]
1939 July 20 1 Arab was killed at a train station in Jaffa. [13]
1939 July 20 6 Arabs were killed in several attacks in Tel-Aviv. [13]
1939 July 20 3 Arabs were killed in Rehovot. [13]
1939 August 27 2 British officers were killed by a mine in Jerusalem. [13]
1944 September 27 Unknown number of casualties, around 150 Irgun members attacked four British police stations [22]
1944 September 29 1 Senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department assassinated in Jerusalem. [22]
1945 December 27 7 British policemen killed during the bombing of British Intelligence offices in Jerusalem; 1 British soldier killed during attack of British army camp in north Tel Aviv [23]
1946 July 22 91 people were killed at King David Hotel Bombing mostly civilians, most ... staff of the hotel or Secretariat,
41 Palestinian Arabs, 15-28 British citizens, 17 Palestinian Jews, 2 Armenians, 1 Russian, 1 Greek and 1 Egyptian.		 [24] [25]
1946 October 30 2 British guards killed during Gunfire and explosion at Jerusalem Railway Station. [26]
1947 January 12 4 killed in bombing of British headquarters. [27]
1947 March 1 17 British officers killed, during raid and explosion. [28]
1947 March 12 1 British soldier killed during the attack on Schneller Camp. [28]
1947 July 29 2 kidnapped British sergeants hanged. [29]
1947 September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [27]
1947 September 29 13 killed, 53 wounded in attack on British police station. [27]
1947 December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [30]
1947 December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [31]
1947 December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [32]
1947 December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [33]
1947 December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudieh. [34]
1947 December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [35]
1947 December 20 6 Arabs killed, dozens wounded by bomb at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa oil refinery massacre. [36]
1947 December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [27][37]
1948 January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [38]
1948 January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [39] [40]
1948 February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [41]
1948 April 9-April 11 107-120 Palestinians killed and massacred (the estimate generally accepted by scholars, instead the first announced number of 254) during and after the battle at the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, by 132 Irgun and 60 Lehi fighters. [42][43][44][45][46]
Between 1937-1948 During 11 years of attacks, Hundreds of Palestinian civilians, over 20 British officers and over 20 Jewish civilians were killed in total by the Irgun (sum of table)

[edit] References

  1. ^ Arie Perliger and Leonard Weinberg, Jewish Self Defense and Terrorist Groups Prior to the Establishment of the State of Israel: Roots and Traditions. "Totalitarian Movements & Political Religions," Vol. 4, No. 3, 100, (2003); Online version.
  2. ^ Pope Brewer, Sam. IRGUN BOMB KILLS 11 ARABS, 2 BRITONS. New York Times. December 30, 1947.
  3. ^ IRGUN'S HAND SEEN IN ALPS RAIL BLAST. New York Times. August 16, 1947.
  4. ^ Walid Khalidi, From Haven to Conquest, p. 598; updated 1987 to From Haven to Conquest: Readings in Zionism and the Palestine Problem Until 1948, Institute for Palestine Studies, ISBN 978-0887281556.
  5. ^ Martin Gilbert. Churchill and the Jews. p. 270.
  6. ^ Adam Shatz. Prophets Outcast. pp. 65-67.
  7. ^ [1]
  8. ^ Perliger and Weinberg, 101.
  9. ^ Prof. Yehuda Lapidot, The Irgun website, links to sections on history of Irgun.
  10. ^ J. Bowyer Bell, Terror out of Zion: the fight for Israeli independence (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1977). pp.181
  11. ^ Leonard Weinberg, Ami Pedahzur, Religious fundamentalism and political extremism, Routledge, p. 101, 2004.
  12. ^ J. Bowyer Bell, Moshe Arens, Terror out of Zion,p. 39, 1996 edition
  13. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa ab ac ad ae (Hebrew)Y. 'Amrami, A. Melitz, דברי הימים למלחמת השחרור ("History of the War of Independence", Shelach Press, 1951. (a sympathetic account of events, mostly related to Irgun and Lehi).
  14. ^ Tom Segev, Haim Watzman. The Seventh Million. p. 39. Citing Arnold Zweig's letters to Sigmund Freud
  15. ^ Irgun site Restraint and Retaliation section.
  16. ^ Palestine Post, July 26-27, 1938
  17. ^ Y. Ben-Ami, Years of Wrath, Days of Glory; Memoirs of the Irgun, Speller and Sons, NY 1982; p 229. Casualty figures from Palestine Post Feb 28, 1939.
  18. ^ The Irgun web site, “The Split within the Irgun” section
  19. ^ Palestine Post, June 20-22, 1939
  20. ^ Palestine Post, June 30, 1939
  21. ^ Palestine Post, July 5, 1939
  22. ^ a b Martin Gilbert. Churchill and the Jews. p. 221.
  23. ^ The Irgun web site, “The United Resistance” section.
  24. ^ Thurston Clarke, By Blood and Fire, G. P. Puttnam's Sons, New York, 1981
  25. ^ Martin Gilbert. Churchill and the Jews. p. 253.
  26. ^ The Irgun web site, “The Raid on the Jerusalem Railway Station” section.
  27. ^ a b c d Donald Neff, Hamas: A Pale Image of the Jewish Irgun And Lehi Gangs, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, May/June 2006, p. 14-15.
  28. ^ a b The Irgun web site, “Raid on the Jerusalem Officers Club” section.
  29. ^ The Irgun web site, “The Gallows” section.
  30. ^ Palestine Post, Dec 14; Milstein, Vol 11, p91
  31. ^ Uri Milstein, History of Israel's War of Independence, Vol II. p51
  32. ^ Palestine Post, Dec 14
  33. ^ Palestine Post, Dec 14
  34. ^ Palestine Post, Dec 14
  35. ^ Milstein, Vol II, p81.
  36. ^ Milstein, Vol II, p91.
  37. ^ Milstein, Vol II, p214.
  38. ^ Palestine Post, Jan 2, 1948
  39. ^ Palestine Post, Jan 9-10, 1948
  40. ^ Milstein, Vol II, p53
  41. ^ Palestine Post, Feb 13, 1948
  42. ^ Kana'ana, Sharif and Zeitawi, Nihad (1987), "The Village of Deir Yassin," Bir Zeit, Bir Zeit University Press
  43. ^ Morris, Benny (2003). The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited. Cambridge, UK; New York: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-81120-1; ISBN 0-521-00967-7 (pbk.).: Chapter 4: The second wave: the mass exodus, April—June 1948, Section: Operation Nahshon, page 238
  44. ^ Milstein, Uri (1998) [1987] (in Hebrew, English version translated and edited by Alan Sacks). History of the War of Independence IV: Out of Crisis Came Decision. Lanhan, Maryland: University Press of America, Inc.. ISBN 0-7618-1489-2.: Chapter 16: Deir Yassin, Section 12: The Massacre, page 376-381
  45. ^ Morris, Benny (2005). "The Historiography of Deir Yassin". Journal of Israeli History 24 (1): 79–107. doi:10.1080/13531040500040305.: page 100-101
  46. ^ britanicca.com

posted by Chuck_E_Ibrahim on December 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM | link to this | reply

A wonderful gift is this post ....my heart sings with joy.
thank you dear one. Thank you.

posted by Kabu on December 19, 2009 at 10:39 AM | link to this | reply

yes, there are Muslims and Muslims just as there are people and people,
but somehow the world just wants to bunch them together

posted by Straightforward on December 19, 2009 at 9:03 AM | link to this | reply

gapcohen
That was so amazingly encouraging and full of hope, there are normal and reasonable Muslims. Praise God and than you for posting that.

posted by WileyJohn on December 19, 2009 at 8:40 AM | link to this | reply

gap
Absolutely fabulous! A brave man indeed, and one very much after my own heart -  a man who refuses to be silent! Would you know if that interview was transcribed and is available in print?

posted by Nautikos on December 19, 2009 at 8:09 AM | link to this | reply

I couldn't help but think how many were like him who just wanted to serve and love God, and they were taken advantage of so terribly. I loved his bravery, I feel the same way, only the flesh is taken away. The voice will will linger like an echo! sammy

posted by sam444 on December 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM | link to this | reply

Thanks for sharing this Mal. A very brave and honest man!

posted by elinjo on December 19, 2009 at 5:45 AM | link to this | reply