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Sorry, I mean't to say "their" instead of "this behavior"
posted by
mordent
on January 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM
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Every group be they Latin, Irish, Jewish, etc has general patterns to this behavior. Everyone knows this but is deathly afraid to be called racist.
If there is no acknowledgement of this then there is no point in trying to understand your question.
Peace as dear Ash would say.
posted by
mordent
on January 29, 2009 at 9:34 AM
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Mal, parts of your posts tend to be scholarly & informative...
and I do learn from them, thank you for sharing. Only a "few" people in a community "hate" people outside / different from their community. It's usually based on misinformation / stereotyping / unawareness (ignorance might be too harsh a word). Also, today's younger generation (under 30) tends to be far less prejudiced than older ones. For example, my Hindu nephew is marrying a Jewish girl this year. Both are under 30, sweet & smart,..and oh btw, both are doing MBA in Harvard..so go figure :)! Best, Ash
posted by
ash_pradhan
on January 28, 2009 at 9:16 AM
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Good Mal your post in the comments covers exactly
what I was going to say.
Soul builder who do you think the 'Talmudic Jews' are? Are you talking about Talmudic scholars? I think you have very little real concept of what the Talmud is or what a Jew is or what is Jewish thinking and the approach to non Jews?
We are enjoined to marry other Jews, not because we are supposed to hate non Jews. No, it is to build a Jewish home and to raise Jewish children in the faith. A bit hard to do if your wife or hubby is another religion! Also our faith is based on a very strong morality and that precludes casual affairs with good looking members of the opposite sex. That is probably why Judaism survives so well There are many tenants of our faith that show the utmost respect for the non Jew, as well as one's fellow Jew. In fact the non Jew often receives more respect than a Jew at times. You are a bit more casual with your brothers and sisters
Please read Mal's post and the section on Noachide (sp) laws. The Talmudic scholars I know are some of the most compassionate and learned people around. In contrast they are hated by people who have little or flawed learning.
You are talking through your tuches as per usual!
posted by
Norwood
on January 28, 2009 at 6:52 AM
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She is probably right........
but I would add that most people are also jealous - this is human nature unfortunately - and it makes them get very angry and resentful; it is much easier to complain and hate rather than get off their butts and do something to make their own lives better and/or happier. Interesting post; many blessings and thanks
posted by
mariaki
on January 28, 2009 at 3:20 AM
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While Talmudic Jews view non-Jews as animals or non-humans....and the Zionists proceed to treat people on this basis, the khazar Jews will know no love from gentiles. I have my Jewish friends who view me as an equal!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on January 27, 2009 at 9:04 PM
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There are good, bad, and all the areas between in all people.
I don't understand all this racial prejudice I don't understand why people hate blindly anything different to themselves.
posted by
Kabu
on January 27, 2009 at 7:52 PM
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I will never understand it! I don't hate anyone! I am so sorry you have to take it from all sides! sam
posted by
sam444
on January 27, 2009 at 3:45 PM
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For me any idea of hatred of anyone, be it because of his faith or his colour is such an alien concept that I have difficulties realising that people actually DO that. Turning to a lighter subject prompted by your comment to my post: the jacket in question is a fake from Turkey. If Jacob likes it so much, I can try get him one and bring it back to you when I come visit. Just say the word.
posted by
vogue
on January 27, 2009 at 2:42 PM
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Thank you for such an informative response.....
I enjoy learning so much from your posts......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on January 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM
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Re: Your post prompted me to do some quick reading........
OK - Corbin - here's my response. My hackles go up when I hear that old saw about Jews bringing it on themselves. For goodness sakes! I'm not sure where you came across this reading material of yours, but it is blatently untrue, especially if one knows anything about the Noahide Laws;
The Seven Laws of Noah (Hebrew: שבע מצוות בני נח, Sheva mitzvot B'nei Noach), often referred to as the Noahide Laws, are a set of seven moral imperatives that, according to the Talmud, were given by God to Noah as a binding set of laws for all mankind.[1] According to Judaism any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a Righteous Gentile and is assured of a place in the world to come (Olam Haba), the Jewish concept of heaven.[2] Adherents are often called "B'nei Noach" (Children of Noah) or "Noahides" and may often network in Jewish synagogues.
The seven laws listed by the Tosefta and the Talmud are[3]
- Prohibition of Idolatry: You shall not have any idols before God.
- Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder. (Genesis 9:6)
- Prohibition of Theft: You shall not steal.
- Prohibition of Sexual Promiscuity: You shall not commit any of a series of sexual prohibitions, which include adultery, incest, bestiality and male homosexual intercourse.
- Prohibition of Blasphemy: You shall not blaspheme God's name.
- Dietary Law: Do not eat flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive. (Genesis 9:4)
- Requirement to have just Laws: You shall set up an effective judiciary to enforce the preceding six laws fairly.
The Noahide Laws were predated by six laws given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.[4] Later at the Revelation at Sinai the Seven Laws of Noah were regiven to humanity and embedded in the 613 Laws given to the Children of Israel.
Also, Jews always include a prayer for the government in service each Saturday morning.
The prayer for the government is a biblical prayer, and is read during the Saturday morning service on Shabbat. The concept of praying for the wellbeing of the government was started in 586 B.C.E. by the prophet Jeremiah after the first expulsion from Jerusalem. David Abudarham first introduced this prayer into the modern siddurim (prayer book) in the 14th century. Jews have adopted different prayers for the governments of the countries in which they live. This blessing asks God to guard the proceedings of the government and the nation’s leaders.
Jews live among non-Jews and must get along. Our "Golden Rule" goes like this; Don't do unto your neighbor what you don't want done unto you. That applies to everyone!
posted by
gapcohen
on January 27, 2009 at 9:04 AM
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"That makes the Establishment angry - they like minorities it can feel superior to and sorry for."
What a sorry mess we human are.
posted by
TAPS.
on January 27, 2009 at 8:55 AM
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Your post prompted me to do some quick reading........
and I stumbled onto something that I would like to hear your opinion on......it seemed that part of the premise was that Jews brought it upon themselves to some degree.......
Judeocentrism, not human universalism, is the core of traditional Jewish understanding of the Old Testament.
It is necessary to again underscore, against the grain of modern popular (and largely secular) Jewish opinion, that the Old Testament is a compilation of stories, genealogies, and Godly dictates that were intended by its Jewish authors to be purely intra-Jewish in scope.
The ten commandments of Moses -- "Love your neighbor, "Thou shalt not kill," and all the rest of it -- did not represent in origin for Jews a universalistic creed.
"Love your neighbor" meant love your fellow Israelite.
"Thou shalt not kill" meant don't kill those of your own people.
"[Jewish] tradition," says Charles Liebman, "argued that the essence of Torah is the obligation to love one's neighbor as oneself, with the term 'neighbor' implying only 'Jew.'" [LIEBMAN, Rel Tre, p. 313]
John Hartung notes that careful inspection of the Torah/Old Testament "Love Thy Neighbor" commandment make this clear, for example, in Leviticus 19:18:
Is this a possible cause? Not singularly....but in some part?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on January 27, 2009 at 8:41 AM
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