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Re: Re: Here's a peace tally........
This isn't a report on the war in Iraq......they are tallies worldwide......
Perhaps you could tell us........
Since 9/11 how many people have been killed or injured by radical Christians, Buddhists, or Hindus???
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 28, 2007 at 6:12 PM
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Re: Here's a peace tally........
Corbin Dallas ,
These are isolated Jehadi attacks and they must have been in retaliation to some military actions against them .The general Muslims have got nothing to do with these attacks and these attacks do not and cannot make Islam a religion of violence because some of its believers have to defend their cause in different places of the world .What about the killings of the innocent Muslims by so many military interventions . Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2007 at 3:11 PM
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"Islam does not want anyone to die but does not bother about the life that is evil" wouldn't that very statement indicate to you that they, ISLAM, decide what is good and evil? What is wrong in one persons eye is not in the next Afzal. As much as Islam is growing in the US there are also many non religious peoples who are keeping an eye on that growth. I suppose if the moderate, so called peaceful Islamist would take a stand against terror and violence it would be accepted more easily, but you can't really expect the average American to accept it as a peaceful bunch of freedom loving people's religion now can ya? Least I don't think you would expect that because it won't happen..Thanks for the question.
posted by
Offy
on August 28, 2007 at 2:16 PM
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Afzal
I want very much to be very fair in answering you. Dialog is necessary. I want to respond by a post. I want permission to copy sections of yours that I will respon to. Since I will not be claiming them as mine I am not stealing but this cannot be ansered in a single comment. Thank you for this post.
posted by
Justi
on August 28, 2007 at 2:05 PM
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Here's a peace tally........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 28, 2007 at 12:16 PM
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Re: the very first religion that does not pretend to know the mind of god,
callista,
Thanks !
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 7:59 PM
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the very first religion that does not pretend to know the mind of god,
the very first religion that realizes that god is to great for man to know, and that realizes we are not the greatest thing or the only life created in the universe. the first religion that preaches it is wrong to kill in the name of religion, i will be first in line to join.
posted by
jeansaw
on August 26, 2007 at 7:05 PM
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Re: I actually enjoyed reading the koran
wannarideher,
Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 6:21 PM
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I actually enjoyed reading the koran
christian zionists should realize that the new testament has fallacies and bigotry is in every religion. I have met more peaceful muslims than christian fanatics.
posted by
wannarideher
on August 26, 2007 at 6:11 PM
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Re: Afzal
Sunny,
I am so lucky and blessed to have you as my beloved . Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 5:59 PM
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Afzal
You know I will be here, sweet love. I've missed you! I love you, darling.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 26, 2007 at 5:54 PM
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Re: Afzal
Sunny,
Good evening my sweet love . I've missed you so much . I shall send the link after three hours . I love you !
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 5:50 PM
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Afzal
Good morning, sweetheart of mine.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 26, 2007 at 5:45 PM
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Re:
blacksnow,
Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 5:29 PM
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posted by
ILLUMINATI8
on August 26, 2007 at 5:27 PM
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Re: Would rather not get involved on this one afzal...
dark mistress again ,
Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 5:19 PM
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Re:
riri,
Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 5:18 PM
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Re: I prefer not to "label" people according to whatever. So I cannot give
Sheilah,
Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 5:18 PM
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Re: It is not a matter of right or wrong, but of love.
cpklapper,
Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 5:17 PM
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Would rather not get involved on this one afzal...
posted by
dark_mistress_again
on August 26, 2007 at 4:49 PM
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posted by
riri0322
on August 26, 2007 at 2:58 PM
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It is not a matter of right or wrong, but of love.
Dear friend Afzal,
With Christianity, in its pure apolitical form, we recognize that we are all wrong and that we are redeemed by Love. As such, Christians DO care about the life of evil people, even unrepentant murderers about to be executed.
I take it that is not the case in Islam and that probably is the largest difference with the West's admittedly imperfect grasp of Christianity. Namely, the Christian ideas of loving your enemy and forgiving those who sin again which have permeated Western society leave Westerners aghast when they see Islamic society murdering people because that society has labeled them evil. This is especially true when people are considered evil for speaking their minds. Our children have chanted in the playground for generations:
Sticks and stones
May break my bones
But words will never hurt me.
So even a child of the West could ask, "Why would a major religion be harmed by words?"
Often people in the West will say of Islam, "How medieval!" That is not a compliment. Medieval times are generally considered to be un-Christian times in the West when thugs ruled the Church and the State and the Christian heroes were monks and peasants. Of course, there were exceptions, but the image is of an unforgiving and brutish society and that, sad to say, is the impression that the West generally has of Islamic society.
The best way to change that image is not only by random acts of tolerance, kindness and love, but by repealing laws which give evidence of intolerance and brutality. Sad to say, but even one chopping off of a man's hand as a sentence for thievery creates a more negative impression of Islam in the West than a hundred acts of selfless love. Why? Because it is institutionalized and hence part of the prominent culture, while the hundred acts of love are credited as the impetuous deeds of our innate humanity.
In the Love of God,
Carl Peter
posted by
cpklapper
on August 26, 2007 at 2:04 PM
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I prefer not to "label" people according to whatever. So I cannot give
you my opinion on this because I simply don't know... although it is a good mind-provoking question.
posted by
Sheilah
on August 26, 2007 at 1:29 PM
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Re: Islam
eponymous ,
I agree with you . Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 12:07 PM
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Islam
Islam in its truest form, that is "Submission" (to the will of G_d) is truly admirable, just as Christianity in its truest form (striving to be "Christ-like"). The problem lies in humanity's inherent imperfection. No matter how beautiful or well thought-out a religious system is, there will always be those who distort it to support their own ideas, even if they condradict the very nature of the religion. Islam and Christianity have much in common, as the world's two fastest-spreading religions. They both support a life of devotion to a higher (Divine) purpose, but both have a history of humans in power claiming their own ideas are those of G_d. They are both guilty of atrocities against other understandings of the Divine, but both have also led countless people to a deeper understanding of their nature and purpose in this world. What too many people don't understand is that G_d is by nature unfathomable - anyone who tells you they understand the mind of G_d completely is not to be trusted. Religion is a human-made tool, and for that reason is imperfect - it can be used for good or evil. Without a direct relationship to the Divine, no one can hope to gain enlightenment from mere "religion". G_d is divine - not religion, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or whatever. I for one believe that no one religion has all the answers. They all have their own virtues and faults, and any could be a path to the Divine, just as any could be used to further evil purposes. G_d bless.
posted by
eponymous
on August 26, 2007 at 12:01 PM
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Re: Afzal
Sunny,
I cannot disagree with you as you have spoken the truth . God bless you ! Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 10:58 AM
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Re: Afzal
Soul Builder ,
You are absolutely correct and I agree with you . Thanks!
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 10:57 AM
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Re: What would you call the key dictums of Islam?
FactorFiction,
Here is a surah from the Glorious Quran for you :
In the name of Allah , the beneficent , the merciful .
1. By the declining day ,
2. Lo! Man is in a state of loss ,
3. Save those who believe and do good works ,
4. And exhorts one another to truth and exhorts one another to endurance .
Thanks !
posted by
afzal50
on August 26, 2007 at 10:50 AM
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Afzal
It's not much different from Christianity. They have their sets of beliefs, and rules they are to adhear by, and are supposed to be commited to God, etc.
The difference is the culture, I think. Things are much different where you are than they are here. But still...bad things happen all around. No one is immune. I can't say what happens there, but here, many many people subscribe to religions that they don't even take part in. And some of those that do, do it in their own way.
They may abide by God's rules as they go to church on Sunday, but the rest of the week, take off.
And there are so many different branches of the same, they carry slightly different beliefs.
But really, you will find people that do evil everywhere. It doesn't come from their faith (in anything), but lack of it.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 26, 2007 at 10:49 AM
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Afzal
Long ago, I had many muslim friends, but then I had friends from all major religions and even those who didn't follow any specific path. I was amazed to see how people from differing backgrounds and paths could be moral, decent, modest, honest, god-fearing and simple people. I believe that in each religion there are fanatic-cultivating aspects. I guess good, thinking people, watch these and steer clear of them
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on August 26, 2007 at 10:48 AM
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What would you call the key dictums of Islam?
For example, those of us raised Christian were taught the 10 Commandments.
I cannot intelligently answer your question because my definition of Islam is muddied by the fanatics who have their own interpretations. The "kill the infidels" version, where an eye for an eye is still okay.
Can you point me to a post or link that you agree with?
posted by
FactorFiction
on August 26, 2007 at 10:21 AM
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