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PS I agree with Offbeats, people can say anything they know you want to hear and tell you things that aren't really true and after you meet they are not what you thougt they would be like. I was very fond of a man I had only talk to on the phone, he is a wonderful man but I was not turned on to him physically and that is very important in a relationship
posted by
Lanetay
on October 12, 2006 at 8:59 PM
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its very difficult and could get expensive going back and forth between two addresses. I was in love with a Canadian and it was great, we met on the internet but he passed away. But I think real true love is rare in LD love its hard enough in the same location. Besides you will wonder what they are doing when you aren't together
posted by
Lanetay
on October 12, 2006 at 8:50 PM
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blackcat30, Thanks for stopping by !
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 8:38 PM
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I think it can seem like love but you won't truly know it's love until you
meet the person. Spiritual connections can still exist without meeting.
posted by
-blackcat
on October 12, 2006 at 8:08 PM
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Katray, Many many thanks for your kind words and blessings .
I shall always remain grateful to you for these encouraging words.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 6:27 PM
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Very interesting post and discussion
Be strong of heart and gently nurturing of each other's essence - Spiritual Love can live on this plane in fullest degree with wills of patience and determination guiding.
Warmest regards to you both, Afzal and Sunny.
posted by
Katray2
on October 12, 2006 at 6:22 PM
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Sweetie, thanks.I am grateful you feel like I feel when I talking to you or
even thinking of you . I feel we are in complete spiritual connection and in absolute oneness of mind and spirit.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 6:19 PM
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Afzal
I know of what you speak because I have experienced it with you. If I hadn't, I would likely have a different perception of it.
I can still feel the connection at times, when we are chatting. It's an awesome experience.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 12, 2006 at 6:13 PM
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I love you for that . I am grateful you understand about the kind of love
I am talking about . Thanks for always standing by my side whatever be the world opinion and whatever be the circumstances . I love you.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 6:08 PM
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Your wisdom is a great support for me . People talk of practical things and
do never understand the depth of love which lives under all pressures and hurdles and can overcome all pressures and hurdles . May God bless you and always keep you happy for providing me the moral support that you have at times of my severe crisis in life . Thanks. Take a look at a poem which is following this comment within a few seconds.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 6:05 PM
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Afzal
Don't be discouraged. I can tell you right upfront....spiritual love is NOT a common thing.
And until you experience it, you really can't much understand or conceive of it. Don't worry about this. 
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 12, 2006 at 6:01 PM
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Afzal
Yes, I found some truth in what they were saying.
Things don't always work out the way people plan. However, that doesn't mean they never do. When my son's father came here...his feelings didn't change a bit. At least that's what he told me.
I believe in you, because I know you are serious, I know you are ambitious, and I know you are capable.
Other's who may not know a lot of the situation can wonder. Sometimes people in these kinds of situations avoid the "realities" of life.
While I think you may not be understanding some of the realities that are yet to come. I know you do understand the realities of the situation.
Yes, I think you're a dreamer. However, I don't think this is a bad thing, and I don't think it has to be a hinderance to reality.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 12, 2006 at 5:57 PM
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I never had any trouble but my own inner conflict made me restless .
I thought I would get some solace and balm by putting up that post but the world doesn't seem to understand the spirit of spiritual love . Love is seen as fruits to be crushed for taking out its juices at once .Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 5:52 PM
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Sweetie , Have your read all the comments to my questions .
Do you find any truth in them ? I think they are all discouraging and making me feel like a day dreamer but let me tell you no one knows anyone's future .I am totally indifferent to all the comments because I have complete faith in your unfaltering love . I want the world to know about this unique experience which we are going through . You have given me great moral support by saying that you believe in spiritual love at least that aspect will help me survive my temprary drawback. I know only and only you can understand the depth and power of this love which I have for you .Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 5:47 PM
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afzal
I'm sorry you've had such trouble sleeping.
Did things get worse once you got home?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 12, 2006 at 5:45 PM
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afzal
I know what you're feeling, and I wouldn't discount it, however...there is some truth in what others have said. I know you haven't had this experience before, but I can tell you, things are not always the way they seem once you meet someone.
I'm not saying by any means that it can't work, and be a very nice and loving relationship...but a lot of the "fantasy" wears thin with living everyday life.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 12, 2006 at 5:43 PM
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Sweetie, you have made my life easier for me from so far and people who
are close to me do not understand me and personality . Thanks for those lovely encouraging words . It is God's will to have you next to me always to stand by my side in all types of situations. Your love is my life . Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 5:39 PM
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Sweetie, your answers are encouraging . I knew you would not just
take my thoughts to be a product of fantasy .I believe we should always hope for the best and seek help from God Almighty . God does miracle for hearts that are pure and clean . I have absolute faith in God and think that God will make things for me easier . I will live in pain the rest of my life if I am unsuccessful yet I will think of myself to have been the luckiest man to have dreamt of a fairytale coming true . Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 5:36 PM
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afzal
Sorry I wasn't here while you were awake. I'm sorry that things have been so terrible for you there. I wish there was more I could do.
This will pass, darling. I know it seems really rough now, but things will get better. I know you will not have this problem very long. Try not to worry. Worrying won't change things. Time will sort this out.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 12, 2006 at 5:30 PM
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babe rocks, You partly right . Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 5:28 PM
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afzal
Can you love some one without meeting him /her ? Is distance a barrier to love ? Yes, you can. And yes, distance is somewhat of a barrier in some ways.
a) Would you like to go to his/her country? It's a possibility...at some point I may like too...depending on the circumstances.
b) Would you like to call him / her to your country ? Yes. I just wish I had more resources to make it happen.
c) Do you believe in spiritual relationship ? Absolutely!
d) Do you think that it is possible to be involved with some one without ever having physical connection ? Yes and no. In some ways yes....in other ways yes....but it becomes much less mundane and much more difficult. In a few ways, no.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on October 12, 2006 at 4:55 PM
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Sometimes you get to know the other person's essence better when it's just words. If it goes on too long (like six years) you start to wonder, "What am I doing?"r
posted by
babe_rocks
on October 12, 2006 at 4:22 PM
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nonconformist, thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 3:44 PM
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tawakawan, So for you there cannot be any relationship without body
contact.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 3:43 PM
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Troosha ,Distance is the only gap here.Does other relationship last
forever?
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 3:42 PM
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I doubt it, but you can imagine you do.
posted by
nonconformist
on October 12, 2006 at 2:39 PM
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I feel
That in the long run. Not having actually met can be a hindrance. You never really know what the person is like until you have met,and lived with them. I for one am very hungup on physical attraction,(Which isn't good at my age). Sex isn't important in the begining,but the urge for body contact invades us all.
posted by
tawakwan
on October 12, 2006 at 1:26 PM
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Afzal
a) I don’t think a true relationship – spiritual or otherwise – is possible without having met (and spent time with) the other person.
b) I think you can have a long distance spiritual connection with someone – their words, thoughts, and ideals can inspire and align and thereby a closeness can form. But it will remain a one-dimensional relationship.
c) After having spent some time with some one on a long distance basis and should it look like there’s a future there, I believe it would be necessary for one person to move. (I’ve been down the long distance relationship path and it has an expiry date).
You asked…. And I shared!
posted by
Troosha
on October 12, 2006 at 12:31 PM
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Shams-i-heartsong, You are absolutely correct and I agree with you.
It is not possible for people to think of love from a distance because they are never actually in love. Love know no barrier , love knows no distance , love means closeness of feelings and passion . Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 11:25 AM
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Love is love and NOTHING can separate us from it when it is real.
posted by
Shams-i-Heartsong
on October 12, 2006 at 11:17 AM
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star4you, I got the answer .Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 11:11 AM
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let me rephrase it, may be true for some people
posted by
star4sky5
on October 12, 2006 at 11:06 AM
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hey brother, I don't believe all those stories, stories are stories
when I was a kid, I believed all those, but now I am an adult, so I don't believe such stories are true. I will tell you one thing, distance is definitely a matter in my view with all other issues too.
posted by
star4sky5
on October 12, 2006 at 11:05 AM
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star4you, Do you think that the love stories in the fables are simply
fantasies and did never happen . Do you think that love of Romeo and Juliet didn't exist? Have you heard the name of Manjnoon the great lover of the east who lived and died for his Laila ?Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 10:57 AM
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OFFBEATS, why can't it happen when the desire is strong and the
will to make it is present . It is just a physical barrier which needs to be crossed I did not say that it is something impossible . It is not on the other side of the planet that I am talking but I am talking about this earth which is round and is accessable . May be your prayers could help the yearning hearts to unite .Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 10:52 AM
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afzal, people can be like minded, but when it comes to real life
there are lot of things:
How attarctive to each other spirually, emotionally, financially, sexually and so on.
Because lot of people come for the therapeutic clinic for marriage counselling is example of today.
Love is true, but all love are not meant for marriage and bonding.
Some love could be very innocent like a brother/sister or father to child or mom to son.
Love is a weired thing, if it all love was meant to be for sex, romance and marriage, we could have seen every one as married couple.
posted by
star4sky5
on October 12, 2006 at 10:51 AM
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azal
Also if your only feeling yearning then you have to know it is more important to you then the reality..I have met men on the internet that I thought I really loved only to find out that in reality I sure did NOT LOVE THEM...but the yearning before the actual meeting was very strong...
I hope that makes sense to you...
posted by
Offy
on October 12, 2006 at 10:46 AM
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star4you, supposing they were like minded
would it still make the difference ?
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 10:46 AM
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azal
Yes, the yearning is defintely more passionate..I think that is because we know it never is going to really happen, thus the fantasy is very strong.
posted by
Offy
on October 12, 2006 at 10:44 AM
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OFFBEATS,
So you are doubtful about a relationship from a distance but you feel that it is better than the real one which might not be the same as is felt on the internet. Don't you think that the yearning is more important than having the closeness ? Thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on October 12, 2006 at 10:36 AM
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You can love some one from your heart as a friend
you don't have to see that person. But as far as marriage and romance, it may be difficuilt to love some body from far, loving spiritually is totally different than living together as a couple. So distance is a matter in such relation.
First thing, as a mentor/ friend/ only well wishes status, you could love truly from distance doen't matter.
But to live: Every one has their set ways / standards/ manners.
Some are loud, some are quiet, some sleep a lot, some love music, some dress in typical style, some wear glass and hat, some are simple. That defintely has to match for living together, plus daily life including money, bill, and how much time each one has it. As far as friends any one can love from far.
posted by
star4sky5
on October 12, 2006 at 10:34 AM
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azal
I believe one can not have a full relationship without meeting that person. It is always easy to speculate on another and many do, but once seen and experienced the other persons life it tends to become more truthful. Lord knows it is easy enough to have a relationship on the computer, but then again, that isn't real life hands on...which goes with the proven theory that fantasy is most often better then reality...
posted by
Offy
on October 12, 2006 at 10:07 AM
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