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TAPS,thanks for stopping by!
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 6:43 PM
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Afzal, Wouldn't it be nice if we had all the answers.
posted by
TAPS.
on August 28, 2006 at 6:25 PM
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afzal
There is a poem in MA
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 5:08 PM
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afzal
Ok, I will come back then.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 8:39 AM
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Sweetie, yes , I agree with you, I will return after half an hour.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 8:37 AM
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Yes, but they are not doing it for God, they are doing it for their
own selfish reasons.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 8:33 AM
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Sweetie, that is what I am trying to say that men are torturing men in the
name of God.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 8:31 AM
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afzal...
To answer your question, through my own beliefs.....He can not. God "alone" has no power. "We" have the power, inside us.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 8:27 AM
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Odysseus, thanks.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 8:21 AM
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Sweetie, Islam is the only reliogion in the world which does not believe in
the concept form and anctual being like us , he has no shape , he cannot be seen , but he can be felt , so you can in a way say that he is the energy source . I am not on the point whether God has form or no form . I want to know as to how much God can interfere in the modern economics and game of human exploitation.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 8:20 AM
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You keep me thinking.....
So,
Here's what I think. It's a bit much to post into your comments.
posted by
telemachus
on August 28, 2006 at 8:08 AM
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afzal
I think what he is trying to say, and what I have been telling you, is that there is not a God as you know it.
God is not a form, an actual being, etc.
God, is an energy source, from which we extend from and draw on.
Does this make sense?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 8:08 AM
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Bhaskar.ing , So according to you we need to redefine God as He is
understood by religious groups . You do not dispute that there is God. My issue was not whether there is God or there is no God . What I was trying to say that why has God chosen to use intermediary to administer justice when he could have done it himself. I was just trying to know a point according to the inerpretation of religious justice according to the principles of established religions.Thanks for adding a new point to my question which may be an answer itself to my querries.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 8:02 AM
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You're welcome Afzal.. I hope this sheds some light on your questions.
The only reason I am sharing it is because with this understanding it answers many of life questions over injustice, etc.
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 7:53 AM
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Ok Sunny and Afzal here is a brief explanation of Karma too.
The Law of Karma – This is the law of cause and effect that states for every action (thought, word or deed) there is an equal and opposite reaction. Karma is a continuous cycle of energy and what you put out will come back to you. There is individual and group karma.
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 7:51 AM
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RckyMntActivist, thanks for participating in the discussion .
Thanks for stopping by !
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 7:51 AM
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Bhaskar....yup....very metaphysical and many people do not understand
"energy."
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 7:48 AM
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Rcky
I'm not sure he understands karma though.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:47 AM
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Bhaskar.ing
That's a very good explanation!
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:47 AM
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Afzal, I hope you don't mind but Sunny & I don't seem to be getting out
point across to you and so I thought I'd give you this brief definition of the reason for reincarnation and maybe this will give you a better understanding.
The Law of Reincarnation - This law works with the Law of Karma and gives us the tool to free ourselves of karma. The soul is reborn into a physical body for the purpose of gaining knowledge and understanding and to resolve negative emotions, patterns and actions we incurred in previous lifetimes. Through repeated incarnations (lifetimes) we learn “karmic lessons” and reap the rewards of lessons that we previously learned in order to grow spiritually and evolve back to our souls awareness and perfection. We are spiritual beings having a human experience and not human beings having a spiritual experience.
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 7:43 AM
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Afzal, God is man's creation in his own image.
We think of God as a person and that's where the whole problem starts. Heaven and Hell are not similarly also any geographical location but are mere psychological spaces in the minds of man. But the mystery is of course awe-inspiring as to how things are working out as if by some Supreme Will. But of whose? remains the question. That's where the concept of God comes in. If you just think of it as some Energy, then you take out all personality and all complaints vanish. You can't complain to Energy. It has its own ways of doing things which Quantum Theories are close to discovering. This is how I see things.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on August 28, 2006 at 7:42 AM
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Afzal, to address your comment......
"How long will we continue to live in hopes of improving the lives of our fellow beings inspite of the wealthy nations wasting money on wars." In my opinion, you are not talking religion anymore you are talking politics! And if you find the answer to that please let me know as I am 100% against what our government has gotten us into. All reasons for war...religion, power and greed and hatred!
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 7:36 AM
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afzal
That would be really hard to explain without an extended talk with you. I have "learned" through reading, talking, and what is inside me, and much research...about what we can really expect when we pass from this life.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:34 AM
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Sweetie, what about the present problem , What makes you believe
and have faith that You will go into a spiritual world .
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 7:32 AM
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afzal
I just got your message, I am there now, if you want to talk?
Or when will you be back?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:28 AM
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It's ok...I know that
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:24 AM
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afzal, like I said, as long as there is human form, it will always be so.
Until we make a shift into another dimension where there is no longer use of human bodies for anyone, will things change.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:23 AM
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Sweetie, I have made the same mistake again. The following is reply to your
comment.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 7:22 AM
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So, what use after we are tranformed into spirit , the problem of this
world continues.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 7:21 AM
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Because they can, love.
They use God or anything else they can, to hide behind the fact that they themselves are doing wrong.
They don't want to "own up to their mistakes" so to speak. They just want to put the blame elsewhere, or try to say what they are doing is right, because "God says it's so".
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:20 AM
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Sweetie, I agree with you . I am just trying to ask why are people taking
advantage of their fellow beings in the name of God .
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 7:17 AM
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afzal
As long as we are in human form, it will continue on this way forever. There will always be greed, and self-service. People who have never had to experience the pains of others will never understand the point of "giving away what is theirs".
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 7:16 AM
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RckyMntActivist, Those are the common answers which I got from
every one . I have found those defense points in the books of religion .
How long will we continue to live in hopes of improving the lives of our fellow beings inspite of the wealthy nations wasting money on wars.
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 7:14 AM
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Afzal I surely don't have all the answers but I would say that when God
intervenes in our life that is called Grace! And he cannot always intervene because although it looks like an injustice I believe it is a life's lesson that that soul has chosen to experience or it is the result of karma. Does that make any more sense?
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 6:48 AM
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afzal
It's all about free will. In other words..... God will not intervene.
Through various forms of prayer, you may get some results, but just waiting for God to take action...it won't happen.
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 6:44 AM
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RckyMtnActivist, I am just asking whether is it that God is a slilent
expectator or has some power to help remove the sufferings whether committed by the Rulers in the name of adminstering law and justice , or by checking fellow beings from exploiting their fellow beings . I don't say that God is responsible but I say that why has he use intermediary in giving justice .
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 6:41 AM
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Another good example...Muslims, Jews and Christians.....three religious
groups that are separated by hatred because of their religious beliefs.
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 6:36 AM
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afzal...huh? LOL
I am talking to you. It's your post. I'm not sure what you're saying?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 6:36 AM
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Afzal....I do not belive in organized religion and the churches doing
nothing to help alleviate some of the pain and injustices speaks for itself! I do not look to the church to solve life problems, they just create them, in my opinion. After all most of all the wars are based on religious beliefs. So tell me how can religion be a good thing?
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 6:34 AM
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Sweetie, I fail to address you when ever I reply to your comments thinking
that you are talking to me .
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 6:31 AM
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Yes, it makes sense but what about the sufferings that continure to
take tolls of human lives. Should we just be silent expectator to the injustices which we suffer . Why are the churches only singing hyms and the mosques call azans without giving day to day justice to the needy and poor .
posted by
afzal50
on August 28, 2006 at 6:28 AM
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Afzal......You seem to blame God for all life's problems. As I said before
God gave us free will and also provided us with the gift of reincarnation and karma. When a parent allows their child to go out and play in a fenced yard and the child unlocks the fence and runs out into the street and gets hit by a car would you say why did the parent allow their child to get killed? Probably not. With the free will that God gave us we make our choices in this life as we did in our past lives. It all boils down to karma and we need to take responsibility for our lives instead of blaming everything on God. In my opinion more people would understand the seemingly injustices in life if they understood reincarnation. There is individual karma and group karma which would explain why the seemingly innocent people are getting killed in the war zones of Lebanon and Israel. Countries carry Karma too. By no means am I trying to change your beliefs but just merely stating that people who understand and accept reincarnation NEVER blame God for the injustices in life.
posted by
RckyMtnActivist
on August 28, 2006 at 6:24 AM
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afzal
You know our views of "God" are different.
So I say that in our human form, we are meant to see pain and sufferning as a bad thing. It is part of the human experience....emotions, pain, love, hate....any feeling you can think of physically or mentally is meant to be experienced while we are in this human body.
In our true form of spirit, there is only love, and anything that derives from love.
Does this make sense?
posted by
Afzal_Sunny7
on August 28, 2006 at 6:18 AM
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