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Blanch I mean no disrespect but is the word repetition i your vocabulary?
We get your complaints, all in one, the same over and over. Blanch wants to talk and see your fact credential to object at any time for any reason to any person. You're in a teapot!
posted by
Justi
on February 5, 2006 at 10:38 PM
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I think Professor Peabody's compromise
of a period of time "the bubble law" might be the best one. I was sickened by the media's treatment of the miner's families and I respect their grief. I have no idea how the whole concept of "God will punish the whole country for the sins of a few" has to do with anything, but "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
posted by
Blanche.
on February 5, 2006 at 3:58 PM
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Blanche
I understand about the problem with the laws...
But why should families be subjected to such treatment in their period of deepest grief.....remember, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins....then it's no longer a right. The nut cases are attempting to smack these families right in the face.....and for a reason that has absolutely nothing to do with their dead loved ones.....how do the soldiers dying in the war have anything to do with the military policy on gays , known as "don't ask, don't tell"?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 5, 2006 at 3:48 PM
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My mistake, Corbin,
I re-read your post, and realized that Rev. Phelps was actually the cause of the law being passed. As distasteful as his argument is "God's punishment is on us all for the sins of the gays, etc", if we allow laws to be passed because of causing someone offense, where does it end?
posted by
Blanche.
on February 5, 2006 at 3:42 PM
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Actually, Blanch, the Reverend couldn't pass any law.....he's not in a Legislature. My topic is about the number of state that have and are considering specific laws on the matter.....the only thing the Reverend can pass is the plate........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 5, 2006 at 3:40 PM
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Corbin,
I believe your topic was regarding whether Rev. Phelps of Kansas had overstepped constitutional bounds by passing a law prohibiting protests near the funerals of veterans of the Iraq war. I don't believe Professor Peabody got off topic, he was perhaps a little too emphatic in his statements.
posted by
Blanche.
on February 5, 2006 at 3:34 PM
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On Professor Peabody.....
Yep....I deleted his last flame....and I have blocked him from my blogs. It's the same as having an ignore key. I weighed the possible ramifications of that action......The King Kong like chest-beating, the further name calling, and the always favorite choice of the insecure.....calling someone a coward.
Since he already called some longtime bloggers here morons...it certainly doesn't come as any surprise to me.
I have a good time here on Blogit, I enjoy finding unused items and controversial topics to talk about. attempting to pique some bloggers curosity on a topic....attempting to offer a view that certainly isn't prevalent among our liberal friends here........but at the same time a view that the non-political bloggers might just take the time to read and say..."I hadn't realized that."
But the key phrase here is having a good time....and the Professor seems to be determined to make sure that that isn't going to happen.......
He can go and rant away on his own......he says I called him a liar in the comments below....does anyone see any comment where I called him a liar? That's not my style.
He comes in to your blogs and totally takes the comments entirely off topic, feigning righteous indignation and innocence. Attacking bloggers here that I consider my friends.
We are the ones that are paying for the sites on which we write......so why shouldn't we be able to prevent disruptive people from spreading their flaming rhetoric and creating mayhem?
So now he's calling me a coward............so what? I consider the source and move on.........When he's postulating about me....at least he's leaving someone else alone.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 5, 2006 at 3:24 PM
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Uhhh....Professor,
this isn't your blog either....
It's kind of odd how you talk about Conservatives calling people names here and on another blog you call people Morons.......
Take this elsewhere....or you and your comments will be gone from this blog......Frankly, you know too much about Blogit to be a true "newbie" I think you are someone else...already here....but that's just my opinion...and besides why should I care. Following someone here to continue a confrontation that was started elsewhere is a distraction from the topic of my blog.....
Go start your own topic on the nasty Conservative women on Blogit....but it is ended here....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 5, 2006 at 5:06 AM
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I'm tabula rasa, baby!
That's for a reason, Just So. I prefer my words and thought to stand on their own merit. Judge them for their reasoning, rationality & consistency. Would they hold more weight if I was a real professor with degree? Like the ones who told the founder of Federal Express that the idea had "no merit, people will not pay extra for quicker delivery"?
What if I were an esteemed philosopher, like Socrates? Who believed that insects were created spontaneously from mud? He may have been wrong, but boy, did he have credentials.
I saw how female bloggers were dismissed or treated with disdain. Those from Southern regions presumed to be idiots. Why pre-judge? Judge my words, my thought, my intellect. You don't need to pick at my personal background. If I wanted personal interaction I wouldn't be on the freakin internet!
Nice try, but you're just gonna have to debate my IDEAS, my background is nunya. (None ya bizness)
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 5, 2006 at 12:57 AM
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Professor you take yourself far too seriously. I saw your 'about me'
section and it was totally blank. Should one shout so loudly when one is totally blank? My, my you do go on.
posted by
Justi
on February 5, 2006 at 12:11 AM
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You're free to leave anytime you want, offbeats!
Please, don't flatter yourself, honey. I respond to irrational and unsubstantiated blather when and where I find it. I paid my $9.95 to participate in an open forum. If you can't debate against factual, reasoned response, go elsewhere. I politely corrected you about the right of people to protest even when it was unwelcome; I even gave the case and details. Your response was a paranoid tirade about me following you around. Get over yourself. This isn't even your Blog!!!
I can always tell when someone is out of ideas (or at least Republican talking points). They start calling names and threatening to tell the teacher (TOS). Are your reasoning skills so atrophied or pickled that you can't respond? And a blogger telling another blogger to "get a life" is like James Frey telling me to be "true and honest" with myself. And if you don't get that reference, more's the pity.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 4, 2006 at 11:56 PM
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Blanch civil behavior and respect would help stop the reasons. Those
so sure their brand of anything is the only brand for everything is always going to bring about protests.
posted by
Justi
on February 4, 2006 at 11:15 PM
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You're right, Justsouno, I'm sorry
That is something I haven't experienced. I don't condone protests at funerals. I just wish there wasn't a reason to keep having them in the first place.
posted by
Blanche.
on February 4, 2006 at 11:07 PM
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Nothing Blanch. I just stated that I am a Christian. I am not going out
looking to be disrespectful; however, I may lose my faith, my sanity and everything I have if some group Christian or not comes into my area where I am burying my child. I will risk it all. That is beyond the line of civility for me. Maybe not you. But for me. I am not saying it is loving, Christian or what. I am saying it is me. I will not step over other's personal grief and will not accept it on mine. I am defending my life, my sanity. I could not take that. If you have never lost a grown child you don't know what I am talking about.
posted by
Justi
on February 4, 2006 at 11:03 PM
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Pardon me, Justsouno, with all deference, but in one sentence you deride
others Christianity and in the next you've threatened to get a shotgun and murder someone who offends you. What, exactly, is loving, tolerant and Christlike about that?
posted by
Blanche.
on February 4, 2006 at 10:58 PM
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Thank you corbin for posting this. I am often amazed at what calles itself
Christian. I am more amazed at those who have no respect for anything. I am amazed that we even have to have a law to prevent any disrespecting individual to protest near a funeral. I burried two sons. I can tell you that I am a Christian; however, had there been a group passing themselves off as Christian/or not protesting at either of those funerals, for any reason. I would have found a shotgun and immediately after tossing in my handful of dirt on that coffine I would have paved the way for another protest. There is only so much uncivilized behavior a human being has to accept.
posted by
Justi
on February 4, 2006 at 10:45 PM
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Gee Professor, you must like to follow me around, like I need you. Listen, I already pointed out to you in another post that I don't give a rats a** what you say. Get a life man, and most of all, get the hell of my back before you find out TOS really doesn't appreciate these attacks. I really hope you understand what I am saying to you!!! Now, get over yourself!
posted by
Offy
on February 4, 2006 at 9:04 PM
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Sorry, offbeats
but you're wrong. One of the forgotten details of the Nazi case in Skokie, IL was that the community they planned on marching through was heavily populated with holocaust survivors. The courts fuond that their demonstration, while disturbing to the Jewish survivors, was Constituionally protected.
Upsetting someone, even infuriating them, is not infringing on their rights.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 4, 2006 at 9:00 PM
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I agree, Offbeats, that it would be in bad taste and insensitive
to protest an Iraq war veteran's funeral, and I would never do that, but the "no protest zones" in regard to president are not right, imho. It doesn't do any good to protest if no one can hear you.
posted by
Blanche.
on February 4, 2006 at 8:52 PM
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The right to peacefully assemble is a right, until it inhibits the rights of others. They too have rights. At a funeral it would be a most inappropriate time for anyone to think their right supersedes the right of the family of the fallen person. It's also good manners, no offense Blanche, but if any group thought their rights were greater than mine at a funeral for one of my own, I believe the law would stand on my side. Afterwards, it really wouldn't matter.
posted by
Offy
on February 4, 2006 at 8:46 PM
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"The right of the people to peacably assemble..."
It seems like I've heard that somewhere, but I can't remember where
posted by
Blanche.
on February 4, 2006 at 7:48 PM
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Time and distance
I think we're missing a key element here; I have no problem with a minimum distance requirement (as long as it's reasonable) I support the "bubble law" around abortion clinics.
But to limit demonstrations to more than 1 hour before and 2 hours after a funeral is unreasonable. If I shout in a forest, but there's no one there to hear it, did I protest? People have to hear your words for a protest to make an impact (sometimes, it's a negative one).
I am deeply ashamed to come from the same state as Rev. Phelps. To protest against AIDS victims was atrocious, but at least understandable. To protest against dead soldiers, for a policy they have absolutely no part in (the don't ask/don't tell rule) is asinine. Does he really think a private or sergeant from Georgia influences the UCMJ? What a horse's ass!!!
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 4, 2006 at 7:32 PM
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OFFBEATS,
That would be one way of keeping the protests down. I think a little more of that would knock some sense into some of the these people's heads.
posted by
sarooster
on February 4, 2006 at 5:49 PM
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CORBIN
That is insane! People rights are only good so long as they do not infringe on another persons. I can tell you this much.... if anyone was going to protest in my town, these people here would tar and feather them. That's the way this town works...scary, but true, especially if it were one of their own. Little tolerance runs high in this area when it comes to such matters!
posted by
Offy
on February 4, 2006 at 5:11 PM
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Corrected....
My apologies to Ft. Campbell....and to think I did basic training there..........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 4, 2006 at 11:09 AM
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Damn civilians!!!
Corbin, Corbin, Corbin. Please correct your post before I howl. The 82nd Airborne is based in Ft. Bragg, NC. (Go "All Americans!) Ft. Cambell, KY is home to the 101st AIR ASSAULT Division ("Screamin' Eagles", or as we liked to call them "Pukin' Buzzards")
And to think I got a lot of crap for calling blogflogger a he.
posted by
Professor_Peabody
on February 4, 2006 at 10:51 AM
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I don't think they should do this.
Even tho they might have the RIGHT to do it, what ever happened to RESPECT FOR THE DEAD??? Or human decency????
posted by
Passionflower
on February 4, 2006 at 9:31 AM
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There is no doubt all these people have a right to peacefully
assemble no matter how offensive. I guess the real dilemna is how far away they should be kept. How about Panama? In all seriousness though, these people should have the decency to leave the families alone who have lost a loved one. This is almost too much to take.
posted by
sarooster
on February 4, 2006 at 8:52 AM
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"there is now a Veterans motorcycle club that will attend funerals if the families request their presence....they kind of act like valet parking...if you catch my drift..."
posted by
Giskard
on February 4, 2006 at 7:29 AM
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Corbin,
Yes. That was the question, allowing people to voice their opinions in rallies. I've participated myself, but, I didn't scream out hate slogans against race or a person's personal convictions here. Most of my stuff was Animal Rights with one rally against cutting our Tenn Care and another about Cancer, but allowing people to protest in hate, now that I'm sorry should be stopped. Its a fine line about rights and privilages yet it makes my skin crawl to hear such evil. People damming people for the sake of issues that only Gob should judge and not people. Shadow
posted by
Keshet
on February 4, 2006 at 7:19 AM
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Scoop.....
I hear you loud and clear.......
there is now a Veterans motorcycle club that will attend funerals if the families request their presence....they kind of act like valet parking...if you catch my drift....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 4, 2006 at 7:13 AM
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Janes
I saw this bunch at a 4th of July parade in Lexington, KY......they're crazy.... They do not represent anything Christ-like. But they get their attention and probably contributions as a result of it.....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 4, 2006 at 7:11 AM
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Corbin I agree with you
allowed ok, but at a distance of 300 to 500 feet. Families don't need this kind of garbage at a funeral of a loved one who gave all for his or her country.
posted by
scoop
on February 4, 2006 at 7:08 AM
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Thank you for your reasoned and well said comment......As I said this is a dilemma.
But for me....it's got to be allowed....no matter the taste left in ones mouth.....but the spacing thing should help some.......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 4, 2006 at 7:01 AM
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Corbin, as much as I hate to say this . . .
I do think that these kooks have the right to assemble and protest. Let the Phelps idiots and the Sheehans of the world make complete fools of themselves in the process, and the world will know what a bunch of loonies they truly are. After all, we already know the strangeness of Sheehan. Now, I guess we'll all see what a bunch of retards these others are.
And yes, sadly, the Phelps bunch does it in the name of Christ, which puts a really noxious face on Christianity.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on February 4, 2006 at 6:59 AM
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Well, you probably already know what my take will be...
People have the right to peacably assemble. As long as that is what they are doing, they have a right to do it. Even as offensive as they may be.
We do not have a right to not be offended. Personally, I find the man and his movement about as offensive as any I've seen.
But ideas should compete in the free market of ideas and not by acts of legislation.
posted by
Giskard
on February 4, 2006 at 6:49 AM
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Shadow......
They're insane.....and they give the rest of American Christians, such a bad name.....these are the types that are used as examples of what the Christian right is all about and that could be nothing further from the truth.
But.....if Cindy Sheehan, the Klan, American Nazi party, and all the other kooks have a right to protest...how can we say they can't. Who get to be the deciding body that selectively decides who gets to protest and who does not?
I like the idea of allowing them to act out their insanity......from a great distance away.....let them yell to themselves.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on February 4, 2006 at 6:37 AM
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Corbin,
That Westboro Baptist Church gang came right here to my back door to rally against a solider buried in Smyrna. Grrrrr...............the whole county went wild. Those assholes not only protested the funeral, but were driving around in their vehicles with anti-gay signs and bull horns screaming out insults to locals. They aren't just protesting at the funeral itself, but, attacking the towns too. All the locals refused to allow them any type of services and I also understand one car got redecorated with gun shoot. Shadow
posted by
Keshet
on February 4, 2006 at 6:19 AM
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