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Trevor...
Have you ever worked at the NSA?
If not then you have no idea what you're talking about.
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on December 21, 2005 at 5:25 AM
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I am writing this morning to wish you Merry Christmas and a properous New year in advance. May the Good God listen to all your prayers and executive them in the new year comming.
posted by
Flame-thrower
on December 21, 2005 at 2:35 AM
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Yeah, this is atrocious!
Echelon is one of the worst things to ever happen to democracy. It is actually an international agency that buys information for domestic intelligence from foreign spies to circumvent the laws prohibiting spying on citizens.
posted by
Trevor_Cunnington
on December 21, 2005 at 1:47 AM
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Thanks Corbin, most days yes. Still have few difficult to type.
Love your Blog.... Keep up the good work. Be blessed in all you do. merry Christmas.
posted by
Justi
on December 21, 2005 at 12:16 AM
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Justso....
Glad to see you around...hope you feeling better! God Bless.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 20, 2005 at 4:05 PM
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Tiel
That is one of his strengths.......he relates to the common man (Yeah, Scoop even with a silver spoon in his mouth
) and he explains things to them in a way that makes sure they get it..........unlike his enemies...who apparently will never get it!
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 20, 2005 at 4:04 PM
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Blanche
Uhhhhh.....I watched 60 minutes, read the NYTimes website, and Listen to Tim Russert or Chris Mathews.....just like anyone else that wants to find secret information.....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 20, 2005 at 3:30 PM
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Corbin_Dallas,
I wonder wherre you get your information? Since the NSA is a highly secretive agency, how would any of us know what was done in the Clinton Administration as opposed to the Bush Administration? It's not like they, oh, report to an oversight agency or put out yearly reports. In fact, we'll never really know who they are listening to: suspected terrorists or merely people who annoy the current administration like anti-recruiting groups, Quaker grandmas, etc.
The Patriot Act provisions were referring to "roving wire taps", not specifically cellphones, but whatever phone a "suspect" may be using.
And, we are NOT at war, no declaration of war has been made in this country since WWII. So, it's not as though martial law has been declared.
posted by
Blanche.
on December 20, 2005 at 2:35 PM
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NSA AND BUGGING!
So what! Big deal! It's been going on for ever and ever. Read my latest entry and I might educate you a little on the subject.
posted by
gingerassasin
on December 20, 2005 at 2:24 PM
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Corbin
You put this post together in a wonderful way! I wish it could go national. I was impressed with Bushes speech the other night. Finally, he said something clearly, straight out, and not overloaded with politcalese! He can't help that his delivery is unimpressive---but I wish it weren't. Can you imagine the rise in approval numbers, if Reagan had/could have delivered this same speech?
posted by
Tiel
on December 20, 2005 at 12:43 PM
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Corbin Dallas
Great Post. You have the facts! You show the facts, those who will not accept them are only finding an American venue to be able to express themselves; however, bazaar that is. Who knows they may live at home and Mama will not allow them to talk back.
All your posts are good. I went out and came in again to make this comment I would not do two comments on one dime, you know that. Keep up the good work, be blessed.
posted by
Justi
on December 20, 2005 at 12:03 PM
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Dennison Mann
Did you get religion? The Christian type perhaps? You are confessing your sins so freely all of which you have been opposed to anyone knowing previously.
Got no real life? Your hobby is listening in on cell phone conversations? You could care less about war or no war DM you only want a controversy going. May the hounds of hell chase you until you find Jesus.
posted by
Justi
on December 20, 2005 at 11:57 AM
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Dennison_Mann
Thank you for your informational comments.....I appreciate it.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 20, 2005 at 11:28 AM
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Wow! Millions of Phone Calls?
Do you have any idea how many people are on the phone right now? Of the 370,000.000 Americans, half of us likely make 2 or 3 phone calls per day on average. Do the math. Three calls a day by 180,000,000 people puts us over a half billion phone calls each and every day. Do you really think that Echelon cares about your daughter's ratty boyfriend? Or the fact that you bounced a check? Ran a stop sign? Got your period? Or whatever the hell else you talk about on your phone while you're trying to negotiate a lefthand turn down on Maple Street?
Please, you're just not that important.
What's more, Echelon intercepts all cell phone calls, data streams, and other broadcasts carried over the radio frequency spectrum. These are broadcasts, and the fact is that whenever you're on a cell phone you might as well have an open microphone down at your local country music station because anyone with the right equipment can listen in on your very public cell phone conversations. Actually, it's more like having a megaphone down at the amusement park and using it to shout about your last herpes outbreak. I mean, people might listen to you (the crazed idiot) for a few moments but then they'll quickly go back to their cotton candy.
There is no violation of privacy when you only think it's private. In case you didn't know, your cell phone is not private...it's a broadcast. It's over the airwaves...open airwaves for anyone (including your Federal Government) to reel in.
I listen to cell phone calls all the time. It's a hobby of mine...plus, I have no real life.
DM
posted by
Dennison..Mann
on December 20, 2005 at 9:24 AM
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Irish
I was begining to think no one caught that......
I was trying to show the absurdity of the current commotion. Where was the outrage when 60 Minutes ran the spot about the economic and personal spying.........in September of 2000?
And you hit the nail on the head about information sources.......people need to watch eavery venue they can to get a crosscut of what is being said. I watch them all (thanks to TIVO).
I look at the transcripts available when I want to be sure of what I heard...........
But I'm a political junkie.......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 20, 2005 at 5:45 AM
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Blanche
You were doing fine until here:
Callng it necessary to eavesdrop on internal communications without a warrant or even suspected link to terrorists, don't make it right.
The reference I made to internal was by the Clinton administration....perhaps you should tell them about it. What we're talking about here is international communications.
Even a link to terrorists??? You've got to get some different news sources.....it's only on suspected communications.
Does everyone think we have this huge underground complex with hundreds of thousands of people with headphones listening to conversations with a big red button in front of them. Bored out of their collective gourds.......until one hears something, theiy hit their button and yell "I think I have something here!"
Does everyone understand the shear volume of calls and e-mail that goes in and out of this country.....hourly? Come on, we couldn't afford the upkeep on that many people........
It's a complex computor program that catchs specific words or phrases....from the billions floating by out there every second. Then the communications snagged are examined for further potential.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 20, 2005 at 5:41 AM
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fwmystic
Apples to oranges.....
Clinton did it in J.Edgar Hoover-like fashion or so you can relate Nixonian fashion........
The monitoring of the international communications to catch any terrorist activities is not against the law and in accordance with the War Powers Act. All of Congress was notified about and updated 12 times on the activities......
I doubt that any members of Congress the Billy Bob was monitoring received many updates......
Back to the current issue......
We are at war! And If we need to intercept overseas communications....so be it.
The Supreme Court has made clear several times that at a time of war the president has inherent powers to protect national security.
That's why there's one commander-in-chief and not 535 of them.
The court's made a distinction between the criminal justice system and military actions, including intelligence activities related to national security.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 20, 2005 at 5:31 AM
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CORBIN DALLAS
Just stoping thru to see if anything was new. Did you see where the President's numbers are up? Quite a change from a week ago!! 
posted by
Offy
on December 20, 2005 at 5:20 AM
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Corbin Dallas,
Again, I find myself with Scoop (and FWMystic), abuse is abuse. There's a line in Cool Hand Luke, when Luke comes out of the sweatbox that Strother Martin put him in, the guard apologizes and says, "It's my job". Luke responds, "Callin' it a job don't make it right."
Callng it necessary to eavesdrop on internal communications without a warrant or even suspected link to terrorists, don't make it right.
posted by
Blanche.
on December 19, 2005 at 9:10 PM
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CORBIN
Everyone seems to think this is all new! Hey, I have no problem on this subject...we should have been doing a better job of it long before 9/11, but we had an idiot in White House. Six months after he leaves we get"da bomb"...as to fmystic question....YES,YES and Hell YES! Great post as usual my firend!!
posted by
Offy
on December 19, 2005 at 8:51 PM
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Corbin Dallas
I admit you had me wondering as I read the first part of you post, 
I don't have a problem with monitoring International Communications with the idea of our security, in mind. Truthfully, I was surprised that such a big deal is being made over such a obvious source of information.. They are trying to scare the people that only use the evening news on TV as their source of info. I am also left asking 'What's The Point'? Good Post
posted by
BrightIrish
on December 19, 2005 at 7:37 PM
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Let's Get This Straight ...
If Clinton did it then it was bad, terrible, right, a gross injustice and misuse of power? But if GWB does it in the war on terror, then it's OK?
posted by
fwmystic
on December 19, 2005 at 7:22 PM
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Absolutely
The Clinton Administration had no right to look into peoples private information......and what did Bill want to find out about ol Strom's conversations? Was he trying to learn the secret of Strom's sexual prowess?
I have no problem with monitoring international communications......
I mean if we catch one of the slimeballs and they have a laptop...and it's got a few hundred phone numbers on it.....we'd be crazy not to check it out.........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 19, 2005 at 5:47 PM
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I'm glad to see Conservatives stand up for private rights...glad people
are seeing this as an abuse of power.
posted by
Ariala
on December 19, 2005 at 5:42 PM
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Scoop
I don't care if it's Clinton or Bush it is abuse of power
Maybe you should tell that to the New York Times, too.............
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 19, 2005 at 5:41 PM
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Corbin,
Yeah and long before if you look at history's events, just maybe not on a major national scale due to technology. The 1960's and 1970's had their field day. Shadow
posted by
Keshet
on December 19, 2005 at 5:35 PM
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I don't care if it's Clinton or Bush it is abuse of power
and to be honest it probably has been going on for years under different admins. I am for security and the Patriot Act if it doesn't violate our rights. I always thought the deal with the libraries was stretching it.
posted by
scoop
on December 19, 2005 at 5:33 PM
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Shadow...
And it was hapenning in 2000!
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 19, 2005 at 5:30 PM
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Ariala.....
Thanks for stopping by.........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 19, 2005 at 5:29 PM
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Corbin,
I second Ariala, this is intense and also very scary. I wasn't very impressed with Bush's little chit chat today either. Shadow
posted by
Keshet
on December 19, 2005 at 5:28 PM
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Corbin, wow...intense...I'm glad the worse thing I do privately and
publically is flirt intensely...know any cute NSA guys?
posted by
Ariala
on December 19, 2005 at 5:24 PM
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