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posted by
saul_relative
on June 23, 2005 at 4:32 PM
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Neville Chamberlain and those of his ilk never accomplished anything save
getting more than a few million people killed, twodog. That's what I think of appeasement. As for your nods toward Hitler, twodog, the similarities were there alright. Still, this war was unnecessary and has cost so many so much. There were more effecient methods of taking out Hussein. I ask this: Given the political disposition and terrorist ties and current human rights atrocities being committed there, why hasn't there been a case made for the invasion of Sudan?
posted by
saul_relative
on June 23, 2005 at 4:30 PM
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No worries there, twodog. I have a degree in history and am close
to one in political science as well. And I have no doubt that the courage of the average Iraqi who wants nothing but to see his nation become a better place to live is quite an example to us all, something that most Americans could learn a great deal from. And I am a firm beleiver in knowing your enemy, twodog. I have read Hatred's Kingdom and The Age Of Sacred Terror, have read extensively on bin Laden and Palestinian terrorism, am currently reading Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism and Imperial Hubris. I have picked up, but haven't started reading Ghost Wars, the Pulitzer Prize-winning book by Steve Coll about the CIA and Afghanistan. I have been an avid peruser of terrorist accounts for over twenty years and have been one to say (since the Reagan years) that we have entered World War III -- just nobody seems to know it yet, because its a different kind of world war than the conventional ones we've waged in the past. In that conception alone lies part of our problem in dealing with it.
I wish your son well and a safe return. I may be anti-war in this regard, twodog, but in so being, I mean no disrespect to our military forces. Everything I say and do hopefully brings them one day closer to coming home that much sooner.
posted by
saul_relative
on June 23, 2005 at 4:23 PM
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The Senate Armed Forces Committee Hearings
I watched the same hearings, a blight on Fox and all the other $%&*#$ news channels for pulling out after the Kennedy interrogation. I guess after the expected fireworks between Kennedy and Rummy were over, there wasn't anything else of interest said. It's obvious you are a thoughful kind of guy, Saul, all I ask is that you, and reasonable folks like you, study the history of terrorism. Don't give it a quick once over, take the time to study, learn about the enemy this, and every other free society face. And remember, every word spoken, by every politician, media type, former this and former that, is watched, studied by our terrorist enemy on world wide satellite broadcasts. And, study our own painfull, ten year effort to put our own republic together after the Revolutionary War. There has been amazing progress in Iraq, a national election a year after major hostilities began, cell phone subscribers, land line subscribers are in the tens of thousands and growing by the day. Iraq is pumping a two point five million barrels of oil a day, if the report I saw was correct. There have been six hundred twenty new school constructed, and the list just keeps growing. I know I'm going to sound like a broken record on this, but, still, after bombing after bombing, hundreds of deaths, every day, the lines form, and Iraqi folks face sudden, violent death, to volunteer for the military forces, the police and the security forces. My son actually witness lines re-forming before the dead bodies of victims of a car bombing were carried away. That's courage, guy, real courage, and an intense dedication to the freedom of Iraq by Iraqis.
I hate to keep bringing up Hitler too, but, England tried to appease him, the world tried to appease him, and it didn't work. Check out the history of Germany, Japan, and the League of Nations, and you will see a startling simililarity between Saddam, Iraq, and the first hints of the Second World War. History, Saul, the lessons are there, all I ask, take a look.
posted by
twodog
on June 23, 2005 at 3:36 PM
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Great post Saul very good information.
posted by
scoop
on June 23, 2005 at 2:34 PM
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