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avant-garde, I hope I never have to do that again.
Honestly. It was a lasting impression that I will never rid from memory.

posted by SpitFire70 on April 3, 2005 at 1:26 AM | link to this | reply

DarrkeT, this is one of the hardest ethical questions.
Yes, it is hard, but any human being must use their best judgment. Thinking: would it be wise and benificial to them to speak up? Also, will it aid in their personal grwoth and journey to know such info? Most of it is a judgment call.

posted by SpitFire70 on April 3, 2005 at 1:24 AM | link to this | reply

This is really wierd stuff.  I'm glad he didn't suffer.  I'm wondering about the ethics stuff though.  If a client is seeking contact, is it really ethical to hold back information, even if it's disturbing?

posted by DarrkeThoughts on April 2, 2005 at 5:01 PM | link to this | reply

avant-G, you just made me wide-eyed for a second...

Reading "bodies taken apart but still alive" Holy shit. I can't imagine some of the things you must see. Honestly, I couldn't handle it emotionally. I consider myself a pretty strong person and I can handle blood and guts of the animals when I'm at work, but humans? No way. Couldn't hack it. I give much thanks to people like you.

posted by SpitFire70 on March 3, 2005 at 2:11 PM | link to this | reply

needless deaths
it is a shame that people don't think more about consequences. i've been a medic for ten years and i've seen some horrible things. most people would have walked away if they'd been more careful. seeing a body taken apart but still alive is something i don't enjoy looking at. God bless your admonitions.

posted by avant-garde on March 3, 2005 at 1:54 PM | link to this | reply

Well, RAME, I'm glad you're okay.

posted by SpitFire70 on March 2, 2005 at 9:55 PM | link to this | reply

You are right!
Having been in an accident once myself, I know the good seat belts can do. Because of the injury to my body where it wasn't held by the seat belt, I think seat belts should hold back both shoulders. If I had had a seat belt that crossed my chest both ways, I wouldn't have had the injury to my back that I did. Knowing that, I agree. Please EVERYONE, WEAR YOUR SEAT BELTS!!!!

posted by RAME on March 2, 2005 at 12:47 PM | link to this | reply

I'm overjoyed to hear you say this, Sass.

I still see people every single day not wearing their seat belts. It's scary and sad. Some people just need to learn the hard way, I guess. I always wear mine, too, and even though the seat belt wouldn't have saved B in this case, it would have at least saved his face.

posted by SpitFire70 on February 25, 2005 at 5:35 PM | link to this | reply

I can't believe that I missed this
My daughter's school has a vehicle used as a reminder to buckle up. It has been in a wreck from teens killed while drinking and driving. None were wearing seatbelts. They also showed them a movie of accidents where no seatbelt was worn. I always buckle up and so do my kids.

posted by Sherri_G on February 25, 2005 at 5:08 PM | link to this | reply

David-Anthony, thank you for sharing that.
I hope more people read this. The issue sounds so unimportant, until reading or experiencing the tragedies.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 11, 2005 at 5:54 PM | link to this | reply

Seatbelts.....YES
 have had 3 major accidents in my families' lives not to mention friends.........1) I was rear-ended (car, perverts) while at a dead stop, as I was about to turn.  I was spun and thrown to the passenger side where my van landed...luckily none of my equipment came forward ( saw in head may hurt).... no seatbelt.....lots of permanent back damage for the rest of my life...2) My 19 year old niece lost control of her car on the highway and hit another vehicle.....he was thrown from the car and died..22 y/o....no seatbelt........ 3)  My entire family was driving on a Christmas Eve......someone went through a red light and slammed them....destroying the jeep....everyone went to the hospital and are fine.......all wore seatbelts...

posted by David-Anthony on January 11, 2005 at 10:43 AM | link to this | reply

Worrywort, let me just say that women seem to have an

inborn "women's intuition" that generally focus on the emotions. Men have an intuition more focused on logic. You do have more intuition than you may realize because people like me (Ya know, the "freaks") are not tuned into ourselves. Ya see, I can "see" for myself, but since I am "myself" I cannot and would not know if I'm being bias due to my own thoughts. That's why I am living a physical life just like anyone else; just that one of my main purposes here is to help others. I have to help myself just like anyone else. Always listen to your gut when you feel something for yourself. If the thought or image comes back (usually more than once or if it just feels very strong) go with it. It's usually the right choice.

    As far as wearing a seatbelt, I am SO happy to hear that you do. I can't stress enough how important it is. As I said in this post, it may not always save a life, but it may save the physical body from being torn apart beyond recognition. There is a big difference to the surviving loved ones to NOT hear, "Sorry, but we really must recommend you DON'T see the body."

    Thank you for your wonderful comments.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 8, 2005 at 7:14 PM | link to this | reply

BTW, I always wear my seatbelt

and enforce everyone to wear it, while riding in my car.  It wasn't always so, before the law in Colorado.  But since the law, I feel naked if I don't buckle up.

Worrywort..........

posted by worrywort on January 7, 2005 at 11:28 PM | link to this | reply

Interesting perspective..........

bless you for doing this.  If your sensitive this way, and have that gift, it's cool that you do this.  I know it's hard to look at things like that, and have the images clutter your mind, but in some ways, it would be comforting to know you can see it, relieve some of the pain of a living loved one and then work through emptying your mind of it because you were able to do some good with it.

This is a very interesting post you've made.  I've been very interested in this for a long time.  Not because I have the gift.  I am sure I don't.  I've never had any kind of premonitions before where I could see things.  But I know, in a lot of ways I'm sensitive.  I don't trust what I sense, a lot of times, unless it's entirely about other people.  I can sense things about them, and generally, I'm dead on the money with it.  But about myself, I get confused because I'm quite sure I'm placing my hopes or dreams or wants over the top of what I sense.  My daughter's even better about it than I am.  Bless her.  She can assess people, accurately, really, REALLY quickly.  It's scary how accurate and fast at it, she is really.  I keep thinking she'd probably be really good as a psychologist or teacher or something.  Or maybe one of those Jury guide people that help lawyers pick juries.......  Sometimes we can think hard about the other, and one or the other of us will call.  But it doesn't always work.

Hopefully this won't clutter your mind long and you can move on from it.  Bless you for helping that lady.

Worrywort...........

posted by worrywort on January 7, 2005 at 11:26 PM | link to this | reply

Whammie, I still can't understand how you do it.
I have had my hands inside animals guts during surgery, seen horrible abuse, and much more, but I only see it on occasion; and with animals. I somehow am able to erase (or at least lessen) the memory of the images, but how do you do it with human beings? More importantly, how do you do it so often? I know things are easier said than done, but JFC, I thought I could handle it better than I am. I don't think I have to describe what I saw to you. I think you will already understand....(knowing I can handle a lot.)

posted by SpitFire70 on January 7, 2005 at 2:21 AM | link to this | reply

void-is, I couldn't have said it better myself.
I do appreciate life as it is, but after seeing those photos, I actually do even more. I am glad I wrote this post, regardless of if it is "too much" for anyone to handle. It sends a message regardless of me having to write the exact grusome details.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 7, 2005 at 2:15 AM | link to this | reply

I have a scene in my head right now and I can see it like a movie........

but seeing it again is bad enough, and I cannot write about it......

Heavy sigh......an old and weary head, on young shoulders..........

posted by WHAMENATOR on January 7, 2005 at 2:10 AM | link to this | reply

Spitfire, there are some scenes you can never erase, and

occasionally you will get the flashback...the blood and hair on the wall and the floor, or .........whatever.  One of our key coping mechanisms is to detach and one of those tools is to crack jokes.

It is not so hard to crack a joke about a dope boy who just got knifed to death or riddled with bullets, but babies and decent folks.......well those are much harder to cope with....

posted by WHAMENATOR on January 7, 2005 at 2:08 AM | link to this | reply

SpitFire, that's rough... I hope the images have faded by now. I've seen
death on the road...not nice...but certainly gets you in touch with life...

posted by void-is on January 7, 2005 at 1:55 AM | link to this | reply

Whammie, ya know,
I actually thought about you the whole time while writing this. I thought about you today while I was at the courthouse viewing them, too. I don't know how you can see things like this so often. How do you (or can you) erase them from your mind?

posted by SpitFire70 on January 6, 2005 at 12:14 AM | link to this | reply

ThomasF, I don't know if you're a warlock or not, but
I'll just be glad to know you're safe.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 6, 2005 at 12:12 AM | link to this | reply

I'm glad to hear that, BB & thanks for reading this.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 6, 2005 at 12:09 AM | link to this | reply

Spitfire
I understand.  Most people still will not bother to listen, though.

posted by WHAMENATOR on January 5, 2005 at 11:41 PM | link to this | reply

I guess that I'm a warlock? Did I ask you about horrible memories and getting them stuck in your mind? I've seen a few dead bodies so I know it can be hard. 

posted by ThomasFranklin on January 5, 2005 at 11:07 PM | link to this | reply

Spitfire
I always wear mine but thanks for the warning

posted by beachbelle on January 5, 2005 at 11:07 PM | link to this | reply

I know, Quirky.
Actually, that had nothing to do with his accident, but it's really not too smart while driving, regardless.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 5, 2005 at 10:54 PM | link to this | reply

Thanks, Sue. Me too.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 5, 2005 at 10:53 PM | link to this | reply

Good advice. You should have also said, don't play with the friggin' radio while you're driving!!

posted by Julia. on January 5, 2005 at 10:15 PM | link to this | reply

SORRY TO HEAR

posted by Star5_ on January 5, 2005 at 5:42 PM | link to this | reply

I'm very glad, too, HolyG!
Very glad.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 5, 2005 at 3:07 PM | link to this | reply

Yikes
I'm sorry you had to see all that.  I have always been a compulsive seatbelt-wearer and I'm glad to be one!

posted by Holy_Grail on January 5, 2005 at 2:50 PM | link to this | reply

Jems, I realize that must have been difficult to read.
Sorry. I just thought that if it will make even just one person start wearing one then it was worth it, ya know? Thanks for reading it and I'm sorry if it upset you.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 5, 2005 at 2:34 PM | link to this | reply

Cass, no, you don't want to see such photos and
I hope I never do again either. Thank you for reading this.

posted by SpitFire70 on January 5, 2005 at 2:32 PM | link to this | reply

Too much

I don't blame you for writing this.  Seatbelts are ultra important.

The only thing, for me, is that this was so difficult to read given that my own dad died in a car accident.  Though I am certain he was wearing his seatbelt.  He always did.  And I know that his face was intact since I viewed his body at the funeral home.

posted by Jemmie211 on January 5, 2005 at 2:28 PM | link to this | reply

Spitfire, after reading this post I don't think I ever want to see photos like you just did. Seatbelts are important tho - thanks for writing this.

posted by Ca88andra on January 5, 2005 at 2:19 PM | link to this | reply