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Wow, Mark, now that's a challenge!
Yikes.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 15, 2004 at 5:01 PM
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INCUBUS, wow. Thank you very much for all that.
That squirrel picture on my blog is one of my rehabs. His name was Krunchie and he was successfully released and still lives in the trees in my backyard. Occasionally, he chucks acorns and sticks at me to get my attention when I'm out back. Little shit, he is. That's my thanks for raising him from 2 weeks of age. Oh well. I love them all anyway.
I'd love to read your stories!! Post them! (Or if you don't want to post them, email them to me if you want.) With your talent, I'm sure they're great. Thanks for stopping by! 
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 15, 2004 at 5:00 PM
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Exploratory missions to the sun. First one to land and return gets paroled.
posted by
mark2556
on October 15, 2004 at 4:37 PM
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Ha!
I’m not sure how interesting I am, but thanks all the same! I find myself to be kinda weird.
Yes, squirrels are difficult to keep as pets. We’d set up a makeshift chicken-wire enclosure for the two of them for a while as they grew and developed for release back into their natural habitat. I can’t recall exactly what happened to their mother. Independently minded little creatures, though. That I remember. I was amazed to see one on your arm - although I could get them to take things from my hand, I could never get them comfortable enough to be held, etc. You have a gift for animals.
Hey, now! Fox as in sly, knowing what you believe in and getting it regardless of the environment around you. I’d seen some comments you’d made then read all your blogs. That was the impression I got. I like people who have that spark you have - something about it. It’s intended as a complement, that’s for sure.
Keep on writing! I see that you like suspense horror. I write that. Maybe over the next month or so I’ll have the guts to post some of it, old and new. Not just yet, though. I guess I also dropped you a note because you might be someone who might like the stories - maybe you can give me your feedback once the stories make their way into the mix.
No need to respond to this. . .I’ve no doubt you’re crankin’ down there doin’ your thing, doin’ it well. Keep doin’ it. I’ll be around and reading you, too.
posted by
Zachary.N.Miles
on October 15, 2004 at 9:19 AM
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Oh, and INCUBUS, are you calling ME a "fox"?
If so, wow. Flattery will get you everywhere! 
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 15, 2004 at 1:33 AM
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INCUBUS, you are a very interesting person.
Two pet squirrels, huh? Snickers and Thief. Hmmm....seem like appropriate names. Squirrels are hard to keep as pets. I give you much credit for that!!!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 15, 2004 at 1:31 AM
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Sorry about the subject line. It's the closest I can come to a choker on such short notice.
Reads good to me. I doubt you’ll find any of my current blogs interesting. Near future ones, however, may have something for a vixen (as in fox, although it’s up to you if you prefer Barrow’s usage) such as you. A tasty morsel every now and again to keep your lips moist and vibrant, appetite satiated.
Take care for now. A lady I’ve been watching just fell asleep in D. C. Time for a visit.
BTW: Growing up I kept two squirrels as pets – Snickers and Thief. Snickers collected the nuts; Thief stole them from him.
You moved me.
posted by
Zachary.N.Miles
on October 14, 2004 at 2:19 AM
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INCUBUS, thanks for the comments...
I find your comment to me,
"You’ve got more spice than spit. The fire’s definitely there, though" quite interesting. I hope you'll keep reading me. I find your comments interesting, too. I'll be checking your blogs out, too. Thanks again.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 14, 2004 at 2:02 AM
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..........................It's a good question.....................
Certain laws of humanity protect these types of convicts from having to submit to rigorous testing, both physical and psychological. If I had a choice, I would want these convicts to be FORCED to do the tests. The bottom line for me: you kill them and another is sure to follow in time; you know them, understand them completely, you have a chance to kill the future possibilities AND potentially help them from themselves at the same time.
That’s my answer.
You’ve got more spice than spit. The fire’s definitely there, though.
Be.
posted by
Zachary.N.Miles
on October 14, 2004 at 1:25 AM
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chelly75, did you ever find that "smiley" you were referring to?
I am curious, cause I still can't find it and I have never altered ANY of the comments here nor deleted any either. Are you sure it was in
this blog comment section?
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 12, 2004 at 10:17 PM
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Frankenkitty, I agree. I think it all depends on the situation
and mostly, as I said before, I think it depends on the remorse and guilt shown and felt by the convicted person and also the mental state of mind. If they feel no guilt or remorse and are found of sound mind, then I feel other methods of punishment are justified.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 12, 2004 at 10:13 PM
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I think it depends on what type of
murder they have committed. Most people executed- MOST- have committed a felony in conjunction with the murder, and most have IQ's less than 80. It really depends to me, but many people kill in the name of a socially accepted cause and are called heroes. To me, the ethic problems are with society at large, not with the guy whose IQ is less than 80. Great question you fiery thing, love it!
posted by
Flumpystalls3000
on October 12, 2004 at 10:38 AM
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chelly, this is the only "smiley" I have put into my comments here...
and it really isn't a smiley, it is a "dismay" cartoony guy.
Here's the permalink to the comment I'm referring to.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 12, 2004 at 1:30 AM
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chelly, I'm sorry, but I've scrolled down to every comment and
still can't find the "smiley" with the sunshine you're referring to. ??? If you can, please go to "permalink" and hyperlink it to me so I can click on it and see.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 12, 2004 at 1:28 AM
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the last one.. with the sunshine..
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 12, 2004 at 12:10 AM
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chelly, not sure what "smiley" you're talking about..???
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 12, 2004 at 12:04 AM
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OFF the subject, but SPITFIRE, that one smiley ...
it just wayyyy threw me off the whole serious thing. What exactly is he doing? the one going up and down with his arms? He is on a mission!!
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 11:57 PM
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The CIA and the Secret Service operate under their own smoke screen.......
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on October 11, 2004 at 11:53 PM
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Whammie, I think it's bullshit that those appeals go on for so long
and waste so much money and time.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 11:51 PM
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self proclaimed idiot here.. enlighten me?
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 11:49 PM
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Maybe that is why we have the Ultra-Covert CIA???????
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on October 11, 2004 at 11:47 PM
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I know, and to a point I do understand. To a point. But sometimes it is
used and sometimes it is not. These horrible beheadings, we give in to the demands of the terrorists, and many more will happen. So these hostages are forced to suffer a horrible death. And by no means am I saying tough shit to the innocent. It is a horrible thing, but so is life sometimes. And like I said in my latest blog, I agree with freedom of speech even if I don't agree. That goes for other parts of the Constitution too. Sometimes the system, as horrible as it can be sometimes, has to do the unthinkable to protect what might come of it. If we give in to the popular demands of something at sometime, and change certain laws, then that gives leway to change an even bigger, more detrimental law. We have to do the unthinkable sometimes, to keep the unthinkable from happening sometimes. The world just sux sometimes.
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 11:31 PM
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Chelly, you know the mantra.....better 100 guilty men go free than one
innocent man be convicted.
Check out Alan Dershowitz's "Best Defense" and he explains the tenets of Criminal law. The two that have always stood out for me are: Most defendants are guilty; The lawyer knows his client is guilty but his job is merely to provide the best defense possible.
The laws protect the criminals rights over the victims. In a sense though, as infuriating as that is, it does preserve the rights of all of us, so that a corrupt police cannot simply invade your home and take charge.
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on October 11, 2004 at 11:22 PM
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They should never forget, and never forgive. Most people read about these
horrible crimes, and they do stop a moment to think "how awful, oh my god, that poor family", and all the usual heartfelt thoughts that we should think. But then the newspaper is closed, or the TV is turned off, and their usual daily routines are followed through. And they should be, Im not saying people are wrong for going back to their lives and living. But I can't just hop back to what I was doing when I hear or read about them. I sit and think about what that persons last minutes were like, the fear and pain they endured, and the agony of the families living with that image. And the most Godawful worse, children. I am haunted by their little faces, these poor babies, BABIES (here in Mississippi where I live, in the last 6 months in our news, a 4 month old baby was raped to death - the person never arrested, and recently a 18 month old girl was kidnapped and raped.) Who have to suffer the most horrific and disgusting things. And by monsters. Monsters who were sometimes living across the street with a record that noone knew about. There is nothing that would be horrible enough for these creatures. No pain they would ever endure would equal what that innocent soul endured. Just for the mere fact that they deserved it, and that innocent child was forced to endure it . No forgivness for that.
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 11:16 PM
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And even better, the taxpayers pay for twenty years of appeals, even
if they are sentenced to death, which will arouse an assemply of liberal protesters.
Did you ever wonder why they are given the courtesy of a final request, when their Victim(s) did not have that luxury, and also, why they give them a physical before they kill them. Two unrelated questions, but both good ones, I think.
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on October 11, 2004 at 11:11 PM
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chelly75, thanks for your insightrul comments.
It is a shame that all this horrible stuff happens every day. I am not against forgiveness, but I find it very difficult to expect victims and their loved ones to forget....and BE forgotten.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 11:04 PM
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See, Whammie, this is exactly what I'm talking about...
No remorse, no guilt. Cop killers are usually fucking heros in prison. These are the ones that need a non-violent "eye for an eye" life long punishment along with their prison term. Let them experience the other side of their actions. Maybe even they (the criminal) will get something out of it to perfecting his own soul. Maybe not, but still, making him give SOMETHING if ANYTHING is better than just sitting on his fat ass in prison with 3 squares a day.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 11:01 PM
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Wham. It is horrible, isn't it? And it happens every second.
Just because some people respect the sanctity of life and know how precious it is, does not mean the man a few feet from you gives a shit that you are a mommy, or a sister, or a daughter. Life means nothing to some people, and there is no rehabilitation for them. And they do not deserve an easy punishment, like you said, while a woman is now left alone with children and memories, and living with the horror of how they died.
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 10:59 PM
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The longer I stay in law enforcement, the less liberal I become......
"He was a good boy, just turning his life around..." starts to get a pretty hollow echo.
I observed a cop killer snickering while being interviewed by Homicide Detectives. This piece of shit will be a hero in prison. Meanwhile, a young wife and three small children are left alone. Because he went to work that day and tried to make the community safer for everyone.
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on October 11, 2004 at 10:55 PM
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Sounds pretty scary, unicorn!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 10:48 PM
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Wow, good reference, tg. I'll have to check that one out!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 10:47 PM
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that was big of you. I admire that.
I did get real ugly. And I am big enough to let someone know when they stepped out.
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 10:42 PM
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chelly baby,
I forgive you, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as am I.
posted by
Wolf-Girl
on October 11, 2004 at 10:38 PM
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she wolf, what happend to your ability to forgive??
I was waiting on my "I forgive you " from you, but I guess I proved to myself, since this is my own opinion, that you are a phony. And no I won't bite you, so don't beg. Might catch rabies, don't know if you had shots..
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 10:30 PM
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cheeky "chelly" --
bite me!! To my knowledge, I haven't insulted a single person here on Blogit yet, which is more than I can say for you *sweetheart*.
posted by
Wolf-Girl
on October 11, 2004 at 10:25 PM
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Wolf girl I cant take no more.
You are all over the place , everytime I turn around you are puttin' in your 2 cents. That's what we are here for, I know, but TO ME, you kiss the asses of "the top bloggers" , cover up your insults when you find out that person maybe a well respected writer, and all of this is so obvious. And with a name like "wolf girl" I really wouldn't be throwin' out insults. But this is the fuckin topper. Forgiveness instead of punishment?? What the fuck? Shit happens, and the world is a horrible place. YES, there are some innocent people in jail. But you know what "wolf girl", there are even MORE innocent people being RAPED MURDERED BEATEN KIDNAPPED TORTURED outside of prison. You tell me, when you get a knock on the door, and there is an official there waiting to tell you that your baby daughter was found raped and murdered, you go to his trial and tell the judge all about your wonderful world of forgiveness. While you are off in your "happy place", the real world won't be behind you.
posted by
Kiddo75
on October 11, 2004 at 10:13 PM
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I'd say
lock them in a small room with my mother for the rest of their lives.
Oh wait, that IS a life sentence.
posted by
PastorB
on October 11, 2004 at 10:06 PM
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damn you're good, spitfire!
i keep wondering if you're just Fat_Guy in a totally different form! anyway, the joke answer is simple.
Four Words: Tony Danza Film Retrospective.
Close second joke answer -- Glitter.
Now serious answer -- devise a means for them to experience the lives of their victims' families and the losses they have caused -- living with the families or otherwise interacting with them may not be practical....
for the really bad cops -- sorry whammie and the blogger formerly known as patrolsergeant -- one day in prison. with the general population. I think that the officer who shoved a broom handle in the ass of a perp here in nyc would be properly punished in such a manner -- one day. tg
posted by
tbgroucho
on October 11, 2004 at 9:56 PM
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One more note, I don't see anything wrong with castration
for child molestors and repeat rapists.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:56 PM
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I understand what you're saying, Wolf-girl. But read some of mine and
others' comments. Especially the one I made about Bush when he was Gov. of Texas. This is why I would only oppose such punishment. Forgiveness is one thing in certain circumstances, but if you're the victim's family or other loved one, you may feel differerent. However, I do feel it should be a different thing for the insane criminals. The criminals (not insane) that show no remorse or guilt, and especially repeat offenders, well, sorry. I think they should be punished appropriately and made to at least do something positive in the aspect of their crime(s).
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:55 PM
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I've thought about that idea before, too, Inn-K-D, and I think it
would be perfect for many. Just the thought of it may possible deter criminals from commiting crimes.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:49 PM
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Very creative, ThomasF !!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:47 PM
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Whammie, another brilliant idea.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:47 PM
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I always did kind of like the idea of an island for the criminals. No parole, just go to island and do not come near civilized society again. There are also the cases of tribal members in certain aboriginal communities who are taken and left in the bush with nothing but the clothes on their backs to either live or die as their skills allow. Survivor without the cameras, medical teams and catering. Or with the cameras if the Fox network has their way.
I know too mushy soft but there have been too many cases where the verdict was flat out wrong.
posted by
theinnkeepersdaughter
on October 11, 2004 at 9:46 PM
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Jems, good addition to the end of your comment. There are many
innocent convictions these days. However, one should just hope they din't/don't live in Texas when Bush was governor. Bush is notorious for NOT EVEN LOOKING AT DNA PROOF brought to him that proved the innocence of convictions made and those innocent were still put to death.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:46 PM
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Oh, shut up, HolyG!!!
Give me a break!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:42 PM
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Good point scoop, as always.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:41 PM
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HA HA!!!! Awesome answer DavidS1!! Love it!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:40 PM
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Witty-W, I definitely agree with that last line!! (and the rest)
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:39 PM
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Kelli, yep, that sounds like justice to me.
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:30 PM
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I think that's perfect, PassionF !!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 11, 2004 at 9:30 PM
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On a farm-hand harvesting the crop of the month.
posted by
ThomasFranklin
on October 11, 2004 at 8:25 PM
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I think they should be used for medical research. Plain and simple.
Period!!!!!!!
posted by
WHAMENATOR
on October 11, 2004 at 12:22 AM
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Chop off their hands. It is most likely that they had to use their hands to kill their victims. Without their hands, they'd have a pretty hard time repeating their offenses.
Of course, this is for those people who were convicted and actually truly guilty--as in there were witnesses to their crimes.
posted by
Jemmie211
on October 11, 2004 at 12:17 AM
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Being forced to look at me naked every day?
posted by
Holy_Grail
on October 10, 2004 at 7:20 PM
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There are only the two that are correct,
the death penalty or life without parole. Yes there are innocent people behind bars but that is why we have a court system and the ability of the convicted to appeal their case.
posted by
scoop
on October 10, 2004 at 6:37 PM
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Wolfie has a very good point, but certainly in my answer I was thinking only of cases where there was no doubt as to guilt.
posted by
Witty_Woman
on October 10, 2004 at 6:27 PM
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Great answer, David. Have you any plans to be President at all?
posted by
Witty_Woman
on October 10, 2004 at 6:25 PM
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Only a judge and jury has the right to decide on their punishment. Yes I realize this is hypothetical but I don't see the point in asking people this question, for it can only incite hatred, anger and hurt. What if there is someone on Blogit whose family member is a rapist or a murderer? Would they like to read the kinds of comments this will generate? Personally, I think forgiveness instead of punishment is the answer. Yes, even for the worst of the lot. And do you know how many people who are in prison are actually wrongfully convicted? A lot. The lucky ones get released now with new advances in DNA, but so many others do not.
posted by
Wolf-Girl
on October 10, 2004 at 6:24 PM
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A punishment worse than death!!!
I would make them join blogit and be forced to read every post by the "political" and "religious" bloggers. After a couple of weeks they will either be completely rehibliitated, or they might just beg for the needle!
posted by
David1Spirit
on October 10, 2004 at 6:22 PM
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I've always thought that chopping off the willies of child molesters was a great idea.
posted by
Passionflower
on October 10, 2004 at 6:17 PM
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I'm with Kelli - though I don't believe in the death penalty.
posted by
Hollee
on October 10, 2004 at 6:11 PM
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Well, Kelli has commented now, so by "last comment" I did in fact mean Passionflower. But I agree with Kelli too, more or less.
posted by
Witty_Woman
on October 10, 2004 at 6:08 PM
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I more or less agree with the last comment. Here we have tried something like this - convicted criminals are made to face their victims (or families of their victims) and listen to what they have to say. In most cases, it results in the criminal realising what harm they have done and changing for the better. We also have community service where convicted criminals have to work in a voluntary capacity on projects which benefit the community. Of course, the nastier side of me has a much worse solution than that - it's along the lines of "an eye for an eye" (yeah, I'm going all biblical). With terrorists, for instance, I would tell them that one day when they open their cell door, it will blow-up in their face. Could be today, could be tomorrow, could be next year. They'd be insane within a week. Imagine if you knew that any time you turned the key in your car ignition, it could blow-up? In the case of rapists and child molesters, I'd just chop their willies off.
posted by
Witty_Woman
on October 10, 2004 at 6:08 PM
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of course it would be the punishment of having to endure whatever pain
and suffering they inflicted on someone else (exactly the same) and it would be for life, every single day
posted by
Kelli
on October 10, 2004 at 6:07 PM
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I would force criminals to work for the people they harmed for X number of years doing whatever the victims/victims families required.
posted by
Passionflower
on October 10, 2004 at 5:59 PM
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