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My reference to "Big Foot Mentality" was to a specific post in my blog. It was not name calling.
posted by
telemachus
on April 11, 2004 at 8:22 PM
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tamara
In the end I know for a fact that no one can prove or disprove that there is a God and it does all comes down to faith. I will defend the idea of faith
All I want to do is get some good debates started up. I enjoy debating. I do often try to not be offensive, but the attitude I have been getting from people like shawn have made me go after more offensive comments in order to try and get them to back down. My faith is strong enough that I can debate my ideas openly and honestly without fear of loosing my faith or any desire to convert those who I am debating with.
Go back through my posts and see how this all started. I had started up some good debates with Skidd and then shawn jumps in and won't debate, btu rather keep telling me I am evil and immoral and then he started putting words in my mouth and it just got the point that I wanted to offend him as much as possible. I am going to tone down my posts a bit and try to get back to making them more debatable in hopes that either skidd will return soon or someone else who understands how to debate will show up.
I am a very stubborn person, who does not back down. Although I will try to be less offensive, I will still speak my mind. It is that simple.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 10, 2004 at 8:53 AM
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Oh, and Shawn - stop being a pompous ass....those statements are NOT appropriate in a debate.
posted by
Tamara99
on April 10, 2004 at 2:40 AM
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Logic cannot prove the absence of God anymore than faith can prove his existance.
Science is explanatory, but even in the ordered world of science there are some very messy areas - fractals, Bell's Theorom. As long as there are unknowns in the universe, God will be one of them.....and as we cannot be everywhere and everywhen in the universe simultaneously, you (nor I) can neither prove nor disprove his existance.
The fact that you are atheist and not agnostic means that you, too, have taken a leap of faith.......a leap NOT supported by logic or science.....and you have placed your faith in the belief that there is no God. But you cannot prove it.
As long as it works for you however, it's all good.
--T99
posted by
Tamara99
on April 10, 2004 at 2:39 AM
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Listen carefully Kooka
God is beyond human capacity. You've got to get past your "Bigfoot mentality” It’s much more than that.
posted by
telemachus
on April 10, 2004 at 2:04 AM
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Okay Shawn
Go read my latest post and see what you think of my logic there.
I am sure you will disagree with every word I say, but I do use logic and I plainly state the logic I am following.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 9, 2004 at 4:34 PM
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Kooka
You aint seen nothing yet.
posted by
telemachus
on April 9, 2004 at 12:58 PM
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Wow
That was some nice dancing there. When I have more time I'll get on that one. My lunch break is almost over, so I don't have time to reply to your almost answer. This dancing around the question does come very close to being an answer, so you did good. Still did not point out where the lack of logic was, but you gave it a real good try.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 9, 2004 at 11:00 AM
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Well, the Babel thing then...
Nothing in the Babel tale precludes God from permitting what he will in the present time. Additionally, the Biblical narrative was written for readers spanning 2000 years or more. Your definition of God seems confined to the Biblical narrative, but God is manifest in every culture on earth. The concept of God is beyond any single account. By lack of logic I mean that you have cited no logical, supportable reason for your lack of belief in the broad concept of God.
posted by
telemachus
on April 8, 2004 at 8:29 PM
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shawn
I think you need to learn how to read then.
Every one of my posts where I talk about how there is no God follows very logical conclusions. Just look at my post 'We've gone beyond Babel, so why have we not been knocked down?'
If you really wish to try and make this point, pick a post and point out to me how I do not use logic. You are the one making the claim I do not use logic and yet you seem to not be bale to find and examples, while I am claiming that everyone single one of my post uses logic.
My list is the whole blog. I just want you to find one good example and show me where I do not use logic.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 8, 2004 at 10:41 AM
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Kooka
I have been unable to find anywhere in your posts a list of logical reasons supporting the absence of God. If this is an oversight on my part, please direct me to the text to which you are referring. I am certainly not trying to change the subject.
posted by
telemachus
on April 7, 2004 at 11:19 PM
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Shawn
I'm still waiting for you to point out to me where I did not use logic in my posts. You have done a real great job of changing the topic here after you brought up the idea that I 'have cited no logic for (my) conclusions'. And you have not been able to defend this attack. Changing the subject will not make your point
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 7, 2004 at 6:57 PM
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Please Tell me all about this Higher Power
I’m not trying to use anything against you. I’m just trying to understand you. I’m interested in knowing more about your concept of this “higher power”, even if you feel it is you own opinion. What can you tell be about it?
posted by
telemachus
on April 7, 2004 at 5:37 PM
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Take a step back there
I called it a higher power. That does not mean it is God or even a God. A higher power can relate to a lot of things, and I never said for sure there was such a thing. And I made it very clear that I was not talking about God, or a god of any kind.
"at some level I do think there is some kind of higher power"
I did not say there is for sure. You are the one putting words into my mouth.
There is NO God.
There might be a higher power.
The two are not at all related.
Anyway, my idea of a higher power is opinion and not fact nor does it have any logic to it. It is a very poor argument on your side to try and use those words against me here.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 7, 2004 at 3:43 PM
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OH YES! THERE IS INDEED A GOD. EVEN KOOKA_LIVES CONCEDES IT.
posted by
telemachus
on April 7, 2004 at 11:38 AM
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Like I said, in the absence of God there is nothing. This is confirmed by your own testimony. You see, the best logic that I can cite for you are your own words. You write in your comments on April 1, 2004 as follows:
"at some level I do think there is some kind of higher power, but it is not anything like what the Christians want us to believe. It does not need a bunch of people worshipping it and it does not care. We are part of it like atoms are part of us." -Kooka_lives
Well Kook, it stands to reason that if you are a part of God and God does not exist than there is nothing and certainly there is not you.
The truth of the matter is that God does indeed exist and that is why you are here and everything that you see around you. Embrace that fact and revel in the knowledge of the truth so that you may be enriched beyond your wildest imagination.
Besides, you've already conceded the fact of God in your above statement. It is time for us to move on with your spiritual development.
posted by
telemachus
on April 7, 2004 at 11:25 AM
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shawn
Go and read my posts. I have pointed out why I know there is no God and I have backed this up with logic every time. You are the one who is not using logic. Back up your ideas with facts. Explain to me the logic behind 'because in the absence of God there is nothing'. You have stated that but have not proven it in any way. Give me some facts.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 7, 2004 at 10:14 AM
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Again Kooka
You insist on the absence of God without foundation. If you have the foundation, let's here it. It's not in your comments and it’s not in your blogs. If you've got something, let's here it. The fact is you have nothing because in the absence of God there is nothing.
posted by
telemachus
on April 6, 2004 at 8:06 PM
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Uh
You are the one claiming that somewhere in my posts I do not use logic, please point any such places out to me.
I am saying that I use logic in all my posts, therefore I am talking about all of my posts.
Just go and find one place where you do not think I used logic, come back here and tell me how I did not use logic there and we can work from there.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 6, 2004 at 3:50 PM
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Kooka
I've been through your posts. Perhaps you could point to the specific areas to which you are referring.
posted by
telemachus
on April 6, 2004 at 3:15 PM
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shawn
I can only figure that you do not read any thing I post then. You make this very clear time and time again. You do not wish to listen to what I am saying, but figure that since you are sure it does not agree with you then it is wrong.
And I do use logic in ever one of my posts. Please feel free to go through my post and point out where I did not use logic to back up what I was saying. There is a chance you will find some that are mostly opinion, but I know for a fact that I always will have some facts and logic to back up whatever it is I say here.
posted by
kooka_lives
on April 6, 2004 at 10:20 AM
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Kooka -
We can’t get over trying to reach you because you can’t get over berating God. Debate does not have to involve your blatant bad mouthing of all that is theological. Perhaps you would be more tolerable and reachable if you were only agnostic, but you insist on the absence of God without foundation. You have cited no logic for your conclusions. All you do is whine and complain towards people who are genuinely concerned for you and love you.
posted by
telemachus
on April 5, 2004 at 8:08 PM
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I think the main thing that I have ever really said or thought is this: It's sad that your life is all about this one thing--proving there is no God to everyone.
posted by
Passionflower
on April 5, 2004 at 7:32 PM
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