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Dear Naut,
I just posted a long comment on my today's entry "Backbone" that hopefully will help resolve this situation amicably. I'm posting this on Bhaskar's blog as well. Best wishes,
posted by
ash_pradhan
on May 27, 2009 at 4:32 PM
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Re: sam
So do I not condone plagiarism. Please do not feel lost on responding the way you feel it should be, Sis.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on May 27, 2009 at 1:31 PM
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I am reading and am so lost on how to respond! I will not condone plagiarism! Shelly
posted by
sam444
on May 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM
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Azur, and many thanks Troosha
I am in full concurrence with your point. I requested all to be patient and read what I posted after getting home tonight. I have, now, at 1.45 am. Please read
it if you so feel like, and then form your opinion based on reasonings advanced, good or bad. Tell me or don't, is not important. Thank you.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on May 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM
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Yes, Troosha says it well.
To Bhaskar I say: Bhaskar, it's not about defending youself. There is no defence for plagiarism. Respecting original work and people as creators is paramount to most people here.
I read a saying written on a chalkbaord outside a cafe the other day that said that said something like, It's better to step off a high horse with grace than fall off or be thrown off
Several people, Nautikos included offered you a stepladder. A shame not to see that.
Naitikos, I respoect you and underand this gives you no satisfaction. In such matters one is always disappointed to be proven
right.
posted by
Azur
on May 27, 2009 at 12:13 PM
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Troosha's comment...
I couldn't have said it better...
posted by
Pat_B
on May 27, 2009 at 9:39 AM
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Naut
I read this last night. I was waiting (somewhat impatiently) for what I knew would be an intelligent, well-researched, and fiery rebuttal. I knew you would not sit back in silence – your reputation and your motives, after all, were being challenged. My initial reaction – “Whoa!” This morning’s reaction - I commend you for initially exercising discretion but then, upon being smeared or taunted, doing your homework so as to address this issue once and for all. Although as PatB said, “it's not nuclear tests in defiance of the world, plagiarism is not an acceptable practice to present essays, articles, or even blog “posts”. Readers can still be interested in what is being written even if another source is being cited. If the subject matter intrigues someone, they will still read the article regardless if the writer is incorporating information or opinions from another author or a variety of sources. Plagiarism, however, is a serious offence – it’s literary theft. Even within Blogit’s “Conduct policy” they state the following:
9. Respect others’ copyright. It is a violation of the Terms of Use, United States law, and international law to repost any work from copyrighted sources without permission. Copyrighted sources include everything from printed newspapers to another member’s blogs; all members retain their copyright when posting on Blogit. You may provide a brief synopsis of an article or other writing and/or provide relevant commentary while quoting a few sentences but please do not post a written work in its entirety or substantially in its entirety. To learn more about copyright, please see 10 Big Myths About Copyright.
Given your post I cannot see how this dialog/debate can go any further. It is what it is. Sorry for being so long-winded. At first I was speechless but then I decided I wanted/needed to give me 2 cents worth.
posted by
Troosha
on May 27, 2009 at 9:02 AM
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OMG! I was on Mars when all this flared up...
From a writer's standpoint, plagiarism is a repellent thing. It was easier when we had to look up stuff in a book -- but the lines have been blurred between "research" and "plagiarism" since the internet became available to all of us. Students all the way through college are finding the preparation of papers, theses, etc., a dangerous swamp of confusion these days. No doubt bloggers also run into trouble.
All it takes, gentlemen, is quote marks and giving credit to the source of your material. Add a bit of original writing, for instance, I disagree with this author, or I am happy to learn this and want to share it -- takes the onus of plagiarism off.
Even so, it's not nuclear tests in defiance of the world.
posted by
Pat_B
on May 27, 2009 at 7:14 AM
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My goodness..........
a very amazing.....detailed folllow up. Very damning.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on May 27, 2009 at 3:03 AM
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Re: mneme, Nautikos / Sir Wiley,
Please, not for a second think I took it negatively. You've been a great friend to me. It is natural, and I understand, lol.
So, don't let any of it go to your heart and hurt. I'm sorry.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on May 26, 2009 at 11:04 PM
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Re: Nautikos / Sir Wiley,
Bhaskar please read what I wrote in Joe Love's blog. I am not going to get into this any further and I am not applauding anyone - I'm just dismayed this is happening at all.
posted by
mneme
on May 26, 2009 at 10:30 PM
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Nautikos / Sir Wiley,
With your permission I am taking the liberty of addressing another blogger in your comment's page, going by what you said to moon_magic yesterday.
Thank you Wiley, you are venerable to me, and all of us taken together, you talk more sense in sanity.
To Nautikos -
Firstly, my congrats that you took so much pains to prove your point. Everyone will applaud you, and it is natural that mneme has. There'll be many others like her though they may or may not comment. Four days, as I said on the first day, I'll take to finish the issue once for all. Today is that day. So, I'll request all dear readers at yours and mine blog to exercise patience until I give the post tonight, once I'm back from office.
Two things, Nautikos: One, you did not respond to your 'intellectual integrity' with particular reference to the Dorian Gray issue that I raised in my last night's post, and, quite on the contrary, chose to veer off, diverting readers' attention to another plagiarized version, to which all of you'll find an incontrovertible (hopefully) explanation.
"Circumvention", is your forte, that's how lawyers make their living, but I'll be not be taken for a ride so easily. I heard you are a lawyer, and they are worse than criminals, did you know why? ... Because, the more you know about the law, the easier it is for you to break them.
posted by
Bhaskar.ing
on May 26, 2009 at 10:23 PM
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Nautikos
Here's what I commented to Bhaskar.ing and how I feel about two fella's going at each other over BS. Smell the roses both of you
Bhaskar.ing
You can't leave and why the hell should you or Nautikos. Look, I say have a shot together and give it over mates,
, why does somebody have to be judged or made wrong or right for God's sake.
This is a fun family in Blogit and a real intellectual in my humble opinion doesn't need to go after somebody for a PERCIEVED wrong, and a real intellectual doesn't need to suffer indignity to himself with a need to respond to a trivial pursuit.
What do you guys think anyway? Are you only here to prove how much smarter one is than the other or how much more intelligent you both are over the rest of us?
"Take the whole range of imaginative literature, and we are all borrowers. In every matter that relates to invention, to use, or beauty or form, we are borrowers." Wendell Phillips.
posted by
WileyJohn
on May 26, 2009 at 9:39 PM
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Can't argue with the facts as presented Naut.. however uncomfortable they may be.
posted by
mneme
on May 26, 2009 at 9:29 PM
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Nautikos
I salute your plain-speaking forthright way of saying things, bon courage mon ami
posted by
WileyJohn
on May 26, 2009 at 8:25 PM
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Way to go, Naut!
posted by
auslander
on May 26, 2009 at 7:07 PM
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