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Re: Anib

Good points, GM. Thanks.

posted by anib on March 18, 2017 at 11:25 PM | link to this | reply

Anib

Thanks for your thoughtful comment.  You are right that Islam is the most selfish religion,  but it goes far worse than that.  It is also the most predatory religion.  Their selfishness turns to the dark side,  and it tells them to dominate everyone.  It tells their men to suppress and oppress their women and children.  Islam is the perfect religion for psychopaths and sociopaths.  It lets you abuse your family and friends to your heart's content.  And for infidels,  like you and me,  it is much much worse.  We are no better than animals,  to be captured,  abused,  tortured,  killed.  Actually we are worse than animals to them.  As you say,  all of us must be destroyed or killed, burnt. 

You say you admire the teachings of the prophet  (Mohammed),  but I do not.  His teachings sound good,  but so do the temptations of the devil.  Every admirable thing he teaches,  is with the understanding that it is for Muslims only.  Love one another (if they are Muslim).  Help you neighbors...  be generous to them  (if they are Muslim).  His teachings of love must be understood in the context of that,  of Muslim supremacy......  which means the bloody destruction or oppression of everyone else.......

Kind of like the current crop of liberal progressive radical democrats in the good old USA,  rioting in the streets,  shouting down their opponents,  beating people,  attacking the police,  looting stores,  burning cars and buildings......  such nice people.......  but at least the democratic  "resistors"  are not using suicide bombs,  cutting people's heads off,  raping women.......  that level of evil is currently reserved for Muslim immigrants......  

posted by GoldenMean on March 18, 2017 at 3:37 AM | link to this | reply

GoldenMean

i read this earlier and thought to comment. Islam, I believe, is the most selfish religion, and that forms the basis of their belief of justice. Except for Allah, there is no God, except for Mohammed there is no prophet (note he is only a messenger of God). Anything beyond their Qu'ran, all must be destroyed or killed, burnt; this they have ingrained in their minds as the only form of true justice and virtue. Although I admire the teachings of the prophet but his entire message and the goodness of it all has been grossly misinterpreted by the clerics. No one in the world or any voice of sanity can change or correct their stance. Fanaticism works on a different plane altogether. The more selfish a man, the more wicked, the more cruel, the more immoral he is. But at the core of it, there is a kind of investment in it. Islam typically makes for a dangerous religion because its followers are imbued with a feeling of insecurity and the only saviour for them is an increase in numbers of their own kind. 

posted by anib on March 14, 2017 at 10:14 PM | link to this | reply

Naut

Now I must apologize to you.....  my question was more rhetorical than literal.  My question  ended with  "If not in the interest of imperative justice,  to stop the destructive behavior of Muslims,  then what?" 

I did not mean for you to take the trouble to give me a detailed answer,  but since you did,  your specific motives fit nicely under the broad heading of what I am calling Imperative Justice.....  which is the immediate termination of destructive behavior.  With your research and reporting,  you yourself are not terminating the destructive behavior of Muslims,  but you are contributing to that larger effort.  Instead of ignoring the problem and saying someone else can deal with it  (God, government, karma, police, the people in the Middle East,  etc.),  you are taking personal responsibility to contribute to the effort,  and doing quite a lot of work.  You are not shirking you own responsibility to Justice,  as most people do.

Every campaign has its generals, its foot soldiers,  its planners,  its intelligence gatherers.  You fall in the latter category,  and so do I.  But we both are advocating strong physical and legal action to stop the injustice of the destructive behavior of Muslims,  and the sooner the better,  otherwise known as immediately.  Won't happen,  but that is the ideal of Imperative Justice that we are working toward....  is it not??

posted by GoldenMean on March 5, 2017 at 6:40 PM | link to this | reply

GM

My apology for not responding to your question earlier - I had actually read it even before you posted it in my Blog. It is impossible for me to give you a detailed answer - it would fill a book I'm not willing to write.

So let me simply say this: When I began to study Islam some years ago I began to realize quickly that it contradicts everything I had learned and come to appreciate, and that it had not participated in the transition to an openness and acceptance of 'the other' that has occurred in Chritianity, one of the pillars of Western civilization.

Islam is as repulsive as Naziism, though it is far more dangerous; and it is being enabled by the current modes of thought we call 'liberal' these days, largely because people do not understand it. Not are they able to make the distinction between the individual Muslim, who may or may not believe what he is supposed to believe (he may even be a Sufi), and the doctrine of Islam, which is the wellspring of action for increasing numbers of  the devout.

And even most of those will not turn into Muslim 'terrorists' -  few people are suited for that kind of work. But you can be one of Allah's soldiers in many ways, as the boys of CAIR and all the other Muslim outfits prove daily...

I hope this gives you some idea why I am posting the stuff I do...

posted by Nautikos on March 4, 2017 at 7:35 AM | link to this | reply

Wiley

Thanks for checking it out,  I need to get over your way more often.

posted by GoldenMean on March 2, 2017 at 11:49 AM | link to this | reply

GoldenMean

Wiley was here.!!!!

posted by WileyJohn on March 1, 2017 at 5:00 PM | link to this | reply

Sam444

Thanks for the input,  I appreciate it!  If the presentation is good,  at least people might keep reading a little longer.

posted by GoldenMean on February 28, 2017 at 7:55 AM | link to this | reply

I am finding this to be very interesting! You do a fine job with the presentation! sam 

posted by sam444 on February 27, 2017 at 4:06 PM | link to this | reply

Nautikos, my friend.....

..... I am curious,  as to why you choose to keep us well-informed about the conflict between Islam and the West,  and the gross injustice of Islam's encroachment into the West?  BTW,  I am VERY appreciative of your thoughts and efforts in that regard.  I think you are doing a great service to your readers,  and great service to the ideal of JUSTICE,  and I thank you for it.  My question is.....  What do you see,  as your motivation for doing this?  If not in the interest of imperative justice,  to stop the destructive behavior of Muslims,  then what? 

posted by GoldenMean on February 26, 2017 at 11:11 AM | link to this | reply

Naut

Thank you for your somewhat detailed comment.  That is far more than others usually offer.  I am delighted that your PhD dissertation addressed the "Condition of Law".  I am also reminded that an alternate definition of PhD is "piled higher and deeper".  But to fully understand this,  you must be let in on the joke..... that BS stands for bullshit,  and MS stands for more shit.  I myself achieved the level of MS (Master of Science).  So I must compliment you on your achievement of PhD,  LOL.  Perhaps LOL should be affixed to all such achievements.  

Your insight was that "Justice" is essentially contingent upon history and current events.  I beg to differ.  My insight is that Justice is absolute,  and DOES NOT depend upon history or current events.  Morality is something akin to mathematics,  that we can all discover and understand,  if we are willing to put out the tremendous effort that it requires.

Yes,  I do realize that both of us might well have been burnt at the stake just a few hundred years ago,  and horribly killed many other times as well.  And since you bring that up,  I am wondering how you fit that proposal / belief into your atheist belief system.  Could it be that you deny the existence of God,  and yet believe in a metaphysical system that supports spirit, soul, reincarnation??  That is very interesting.....  

posted by GoldenMean on February 26, 2017 at 7:51 AM | link to this | reply

GM

Once more I commend you for the thought and effort you're putting into this. And as always, there are things I agree with and those I don't. I think both sides of your equation require more stringent definition, and even then I'm not sure they stand up to analysis. I 'll let you in on a little secret: My doctoral dissertation had to do with the 'Condition of Law', and I spent some time thinking about 'Justice' in general as well. But other than the insight that 'Justice' is essentially contingent historically - as is even the notion of 'Divine Justice' - I did not come to any conclusions...

BTW, do you realize that both you and I might well have been burnt at the stake just a few hundred years ago? You for suggesting there are limits to God's power, I for altogether denying God's existence?

How things have changed! These days we'd have our heads cut off with a knife if we fell into the wrong hands... 

posted by Nautikos on February 26, 2017 at 7:04 AM | link to this | reply