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Re: Re: Re: James, sorry mate, I took over your post. oops.

It's as hard to deny, Kabu, as it is to listen to them! Like my wife and I always say, there's something in the air! Got to be . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 19, 2014 at 10:01 AM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: James, sorry mate, I took over your post. oops.

well after my diatribe...LOL...I really actually agree with you that those dcreechy voics grate so bad that we turn them off too.  

posted by Kabu on October 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Re: James, sorry mate, I took over your post. oops.

well after my diatribe...LOL...I really actually agree with you that those dcreechy voics grate so bad that we turn them off too.  

posted by Kabu on October 17, 2014 at 7:13 PM | link to this | reply

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I totally agree, Sir Wiley. In fact, I'm somewhat surprised that anyone even watches CNN anymore ( they have such nitwits working there! ). But I'm glad you understand where I'm coming from, and also understand why I too must simply change the station at certain times, just to avoid hearing these people! When it comes to the news, I look at it this way: suppose you were in a mall, looking for a certain product, and two stores had the exact same thing at the exact same price. One store was fifty yards to your left, and the other was fifty yards to your right. One store played classical music over their intercoms, very soft, very subtle, and very pleasant. The other blasted that horrible rap music so loud your teeth rattled, and you could barely hear yourself think! Which store are you going to go into? That's how I feel about channels that show the news. They're all going to cover pretty much the same stories. Why should I be forced to listen to someone with a grating, irritating voice? That's when I grab the remote . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 16, 2014 at 6:32 AM | link to this | reply

Re: James, sorry mate, I took over your post. oops.

I see your point(s) as well, Kabu, but again, it really has nothing to do with attitude, or emotions, or successes, or failures, or independence, or education, or being tough and ruthless. It is simply about the actual sound coming out of these women's mouths! There's just this bizarre, nasally, high-pitched distortion that rapes my ear, like I'm standing next to and being forced to listen to someone's car alarm or a fire engine siren! And believe it or not, I have noticed a few prominent men speaking similarly as well! Again, the subject matter, the forum, the attitudes and emotions, the backgrounds . . . none of that matters! It's this certain type of 'noise' that I can simply no longer tolerate! And I don't! And I still say, there's probably something going on in our atmosphere that's causing all of this . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 16, 2014 at 6:25 AM | link to this | reply

Re: James, sorry mate, I took over your post. oops.

That's okay, Kabu. Respond anyway you'd like . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 16, 2014 at 6:16 AM | link to this | reply

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That's true too, C C T. Not only has the pitch been completely distorted in these women, but it seems that all actresses and actors today are being coached to speak at a more rapid pace ( for some reason ). There have been many times when my wife and I were watching a movie, and after someone blew through their lines rather quickly, one of us would turn to the other and ask "What did they say?" Does anyone know how to speak properly anymore? And as for your TV viewing ( or lack thereof ), don't worry about it. You're not really missing anything . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 16, 2014 at 6:16 AM | link to this | reply

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Consider yourself extremely lucky, FSI. You grew up during the metamorphosis, and the change was pretty much complete by the time you could have become aware of it. But like I wrote, give some of those old cinema classics a look-see, and believe me, you will hear a difference . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 16, 2014 at 6:12 AM | link to this | reply

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Well, Naut, I also understand where you're coming from, but you kind of contradicted yourself by expressing your love of opera and those females singers. Just as those actresses were being directed to speak a certain way, those opera singers are also being directed to sing a certain way! That's apples and oranges as well, isn't it? However, I have seen footage of many of those same actresses of the Golden Age of cinema being interviewed, speaking in their 'normal voices,' and guess what? They sound as wonderful in person as they do on that big screen! Today's TV and movie personalities also have speech coaches and directors and the like, but on screen or off, they still have horrible, irritating speaking voices! And hiring someone for their looks alone, when they're actually supposed to be hired because they need to orate, is terrible decision-making. I don't mind seeing any of these women. I just don't want to hear them . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 16, 2014 at 6:10 AM | link to this | reply

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I understand what you're saying, Bel, and believe me, this is not the case at all. My angst has absolutely nothing to do with attitude, or emotion, or delivery, or even the subject matter. It is simply the sound itself. It doesn't matter if these women were reciting Shakespeare, reading a passage from the Bible, or reviewing the latest developments in the Middle East. Their emotions could be completely neutral. It doesn't make a difference. It's strictly the tone, or pitch, or octave level, or whatever you want to use to describe it. For a while it was tolerable. But now, like I wrote, it's like fingernails on a blackboard! There's no cure, and no answer, for this I know, other than to simply avoid having to hear it. And that's what I do . . . 

posted by JimmyA on October 16, 2014 at 6:00 AM | link to this | reply

JimmyA

I can't really add anything  mainly because I spend most of my time shutting down belligerant people, male and female. Females have it by CNN engaging a Canadian female, who is the poster woman for what you write. I don`t know her name and I;ll keep it that way. Now if they would simpy fire Wolf Blitzer they can then forgive 5 loudmouth women.

posted by WileyJohn on October 15, 2014 at 6:03 PM | link to this | reply

James, sorry mate, I took over your post. oops.

English BBC female voices have a softness to them and they speak properly not with that shrill harshness that makes me beg Wiley to change the channel.

I think perhaps it is so tough for women still to make it to the top in all sections of the working world. They have to be smart and better educated, tougher and more ruthless if they want to be top in their chosen field.

This seems to make for thin lips and a screech in the voice that grates on those listening...or a nasally awfulness like ...well yes that Fran Nanny person, and at least one news anchor on CNN in the evenings.

I have noticed too since this is my soap box week. LOL...that in TV series, the tough, successful woman has a whole persona that grates. Voice, attitude, she always wins but no body likes her including the viewers....The not so successful smart woman is soft spoken with a little feminine helplessness where she leans on broad male shoulders at times, has to be rescued at times....It is still that paternal social thing where the little lady is much more desirable than the strong independent successful woman. Maybe breaking through all the barriers and really being tough does develop an unbearable voice. I must think on this some more.

posted by Kabu on October 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM | link to this | reply

James, sorry mate, I took over your post. oops.

posted by Kabu on October 15, 2014 at 1:20 PM | link to this | reply

Can't say I've noticed it Jimmy but I rarely watch television . Perchance the more slick females get the positions. Anyway I can't really understand the language they seem to speak so fast.Perhaps they are over excited. 

posted by C_C_T on October 15, 2014 at 11:49 AM | link to this | reply

I know of the voice you are speaking about. For me, it does not bother me, I guess because I have grown up with it. I was born in 1985.

 

posted by FormerStudentIntern on October 15, 2014 at 10:02 AM | link to this | reply

Jimmy

Interesting observations! To start with I must tell you that I love women's voices - a beautifully soaring soprano or a mezzo can make my spine tingle, and there are certain arias (e.g. in Gluck's Orfeo et Euridice) were the voice suddenly plunges and has the same result - amazingly beautiful...Yes, I love opera, LOL!  

Having said that, I agree - there are many irritatingly shrill voices out there! I think it's because the ladies get chosen because of their appearance and whatever other qualities they possess, and the voice is not really considered...

Comparing TV presenters to women on the silver screen is a bit like comparing apples and oranges, though. The latter were acting, and the director would pay attention to the ladies' voices, making sure they fit the role! And sometimes the voices were dubbed in...

posted by Nautikos on October 15, 2014 at 9:53 AM | link to this | reply

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There seems to be a level of irritation, anger, resentment...something from a great number of women.   I will ask you this..is it a tone or an attitude.

I work as a life coach with people who have been abused, etc... so I have had to become very aware of my tone of voice.  I try to keep myself in a loving, caring tone not just when I am working but with everyone.  There is also the point in this where it MUST be authentic and not condesending.  If I don't mean it, I do not use it.  I have found when I became aware of how my words effect others and then became conscious on how they were delievered I tend to find myself surrounded by children and animals more often than not.

posted by Bel_Marshall on October 15, 2014 at 8:23 AM | link to this | reply