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What is really wrong with organized religion.
Your comments here point out very well the problems within organized religion. The inconsistency, arrogance, narrow mindedness and down right laziness that exists within Christianity may very well lead to the downfall of western civilization. That is why when I was looking for something to believe in I had to push Christians out of the way and look at just Christ Himself. The problem with organized religion(off all kinds, not just Christianity) is that it is made up of people and has been for centuries. In the United States there is especially a rather large disdain for the teachings of Christ because of right wing extremist narrow mindedness. Not to mention a bad case of a pharasaical mindset(hypocrisy). This is something I pray about a lot. If there is one thing I could change about the church around me, it would definitely be to teach other Christians to think for themselves more. Thinking you will be ok if you believe what the preacher believes is a very dangerous mindset.
posted by
Budmannomore
on January 11, 2004 at 1:59 AM
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Virgin Poet, you are really going to hate what I have to say now
Well I guess she won't be back to read this, but I will still address it to her anyway.
Time to be openly honest here and say it straight for all to hear.
First off, I have tried to inform you, but I do not think you know how this works. Someone states a fact. People read the fact and say oh, I see. Then they have been informed. You seem to see a fact and say 'My parents (or church) have told me different, so it much not be fact but rather an attack'. So I can not inform you until you are willing to let yourself be informed. I have read your blogs and that is why I know you to be ignorant, not because I am trying to make you less than me.
Now no you are not my wife. My wife was able to break free from the BS that she grew up with and grow as a person. She was able to find herself and figure out what she wanted from life. She is a very happy person now. One of these days I hope you meet a guy who is willing to be honest and harsh with you and basically get you to start thinking for yourself.
No you do not think for yourself. You little rebellion of doing BN against your mother's will is not thinking for yourself. I would bet you any amount of money that you follow your parent's religion. They are the ones who have told you everything about life and how to live it. Your church has told you everything about the Bible and what it all means. You let the news tell you all the problems in the world, and that is why you think we are in as bad of shape as you believe us to be in.
Also, by reading your stuff it is over obvious that you want and need to have sex. You had a great relationship that would have been sexual if not for the ideas planted in you that sex was bad. It would not have been just jumping in the sack with some guy. You were deeply in love. WHat you did do with him was just as bad as actually going all the way, (Which deep down you already know) which is why you are so screwed up over the whole thing. So you claim to be a virgin, yet you do not see yourself as such because, except for the fact that you did not have straight out sex, you are not a virgin. And knowing that, you have been taught that to not be a virgin when you get married is a bad thing, you are at some level mad at yourself. Most likely you do not think any man will have you if they find out what you did with your ex.
Reading the Bible does not mean anything. You need to go out and study Christianity. Learn the real history and all that. Go beyond the church. That is how you learn.
AS for using Inkling as an example of a free thinker. I've read her stuff, she is just as much a lemming as any other Christian. She is so scared of sex and the idea of thinking for yourself, it is sickening.
I have talked about how to improve society. people need to learn to think for themselves. They need to get out of their sheltered lives and in to the world and do what they can to insure individual freedoms for all. I am sure I have said this in my various post, more so than anything hateful against Christians.
I could just on and on here about how wrong everything you have said is, but I won't. I do not have the time for that. I may come off as a ' pompous arrogant biased person', but so do just about everyone else here on BN.
I am sure what I just said will upset many, many people. I don't really care. I was honest. There are times when you need to stop being nice and be honest. I am tired of this idea that you can not tell it as you see it. To me Virgin Poet is a perfect example of how to really screw up your life by letting others tell you how to live.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 9, 2004 at 5:26 PM
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kooka
I do not know where you get off being so arrogant thinking you are the only one who has the answers. So you think I am sheltered and uninformed... fine. Why not try to "inform" me instead of simply insulting me with no provocation saying you never read my blogs because I am too "ignorant", i.e. making me less than you.
I do not believe for a second you made those comments because I "needed to hear them". You simply said them because you are annoyed at my beliefs and my sheltered way to see the world.
I have read the bible, so it offends me yet again you say you know more about Christianity and the bible when I have been a Christian ever since I had reason. You may not agree with me, but my ideas are solid, as you would know if you'd ever read any of my "spiritual" blogs. Simply because I do not flaunt my knowledge every single opportunity I have and endlessly write blogs about my faith does not mean I do not have knowledge about it.
And let's say that it were true that you know more about the bible than me... you are using your knowledge to disprove the bible snidely and in a way that shows an unhealthy obsession. Why don’t you take up another interest that is a lot more positive, like how to actually improve the world, not just telling us what you think is wrong.
About your comment on Christians not thinking for themselves, you are so, so wrong. There are many Christians that do very much think for themselves. If you do not believe this about me, just read Inkling's blogs. She is obviously very intelligent and knows what she is talking about. I respect her deeply even if we do not agree in some aspects.
So stop being such a pompous arrogant biased person. I never asked my opinion and I am not asking you to take back what you said. Neither will I. I am not your wife so I do not need to hear anything from you.
I think it is best to stay away from each other’s blogs, as I was doing before you left that comment and before I read Ren’s comment, since it is obvious we dislike, distrust and disagree with each other.
posted by
Runs_at_dawn
on January 9, 2004 at 8:45 AM
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Kooka
I was just about to say, but Christianity is Western Civilisation. But then in the last paragraph you intimated your (qualified?) agreement. And then Freerain added the same comment. So this commnent is kind of wasted. But I enjoyed leaving it - also your conversation with virgin! Liked the post...
posted by
pg_scott
on January 9, 2004 at 6:25 AM
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Virgin
Believe what you will. My wife is glad I was so honest with her. It helped her. But that really is your problem. I said what I said and I am not going to take back a word of it. It is what you needed to hear. Since then I have tried to avoid your posts because I feel you have a lot of growth you need before you have any idea what you are talking about. A lot of what I see written in your posts comes off as very uninformed and sheltered.
I would love to know where you get these ideas from. I personally think it is the Christian propaganda, which you and many others follow like lemmings. If you go and read the bible, something which I recommend you do, and are open minded while doing it, you may see that there are flaws in it. I know it is somehow a sin to say such things, but I am going to say them. I have no great hatred for Christianity. It is not an evil. It does cause problems and is wrong in its teachings. As with most other organized religions it wants its followers to not think for themselves and be ignorant of the world. There is no big event that has made me think this way. I just studied various religions at some pint and found the flaws in the logic behind them. I kept studying them, in order to better understand the world and people in general. I state here what I have seen. I am not attacking, in that I do not say these thing in order to upset. I say them because I am an honest person who does not hide his thoughts. It only feels like an attack to those who are not willing to question their beliefs, most likely because they are afraid they might see the faults and realize they might be wrong.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 8, 2004 at 7:15 PM
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I do not believe you left that comment to try to "help" me
Yes, my obsession with sex is unhealthy, but at least I admit it freely and I tell the circumstances that have led me to the "obsession". What about you? Why are you so hell bent to denounce Christianity as worse than evil itself?
posted by
Runs_at_dawn
on January 8, 2004 at 6:50 PM
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Virgin
I said what I said to you because I felt it needed to be said. Believe it or not, I am a very caring person and I am normally very concerned about other's feelings. The comments I left for you were something I felt you needed to hear. Having had to deal with many similar issues with my wife over the years, I have learned that often if you want to get someone to listen to reason and grow you need to be harsh and honest. I really can see a lot of how my wife was in you. She was very naive and had been played around with by several guys before I came along. She knew very little outside of what her grandmother had allowed her to learn. She was mentally still a child and had many deep issues that she was too scared to deal with. Some of this was due to the fact that she had been taught so many things in the wrong way or without the right facts, hell even some of it was just 100% false, but was the way some people think. She is so much happier now that she has gone through the growth. She is a much stronger person now and a lot of times I had to be harsh and honest with her in order for her to push herself to work it all out.
As for my 'unhealthy obsession with Christianity' it seems to somewhat mirror your unhealthy obsession with sex. And I am sure I know more about both than you.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 8, 2004 at 6:46 PM
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I was browsing the comments section
and Ren's comment. Unfortunately, it spurred me to read this blog. I think you are wrong, of course, but I will not enter a debate with you for that is dangerous. You're known to be vicious as you already showed with the way you attacked me in that comment you left me for no reason. Yes no reason because even when I think other bloggers are whatever I think they are I try to be nice to everyone.
You, on the other hand, obviously satisfy yourself attacking others and trying to make then feel small. I am very sensitive and an easy target and yes, I did erase your comment for I simply did not wish for it to remain. It was my choice, just as it was yours to insult me.
But it gratifies me to see how others fight back. I am very tired of your ideas -and other's ideas- about Christianity. I just wanted to say Ren, that was a funny comment. And it is true kooka. I have said it before and I will say it again, you have an unhealthy obsession with Christianity.
posted by
Runs_at_dawn
on January 8, 2004 at 6:34 PM
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Ren
You do not need to beleive in something to study it. I wish to learn as much as I can about the world around. I do not cliam to be an expert.
Is everyone here on BN an expert about everyhting they say? Not by a long shot. Runs-at-dawn writes about sex, while still being a virgin. I see the same kind of thing all over the place here. We all write about our views and so therefore we are all equal as experts in such things.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 8, 2004 at 6:24 PM
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First off, who died and made you an expert? Secondly, for someone who
says they don't believe in Christianity or church, you certainly do write, talk and think about it alot.
posted by
Passionflower
on January 8, 2004 at 6:18 PM
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Yeah
But I had to phrase it that way to make a point.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 8, 2004 at 6:01 PM
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Christianity IS western civilization
If what you say is true, than the christians are cannibalizing themselves--to some extent they are--since civilization has evolved and christianity hasn't, much. The closest thing to change is the language of universalism the try and espouse, however, they still hold to elitism within each congregation, so it won't be long.
FR
posted by
freerain
on January 8, 2004 at 5:58 PM
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