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Naut
I've been following quietly, waiting to see where you're going with all this, but have just one quick note:
On Dawkins and his explanation of religion as a pathological trait, you and I are on the same page. This is one of several areas where I think Dawkins (et al) have missed the mark! It was a topic I am hoping to explore in more depth, when time and concentration will allow.
Storm in a Teapot, indeed...! 
posted by
Mia890
on July 16, 2013 at 12:55 PM
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Being the child of a deeply Catholic man and a very observant Jewess, both of whom decided early on that I would pick my own beliefs, I was a good candidate from the get go to become an agnostic or an atheist... I was luckier than most children placed in that situation because my parents had three things in common: They respected each other and all others accepting them for what they were not by what they believed, they deeply and sincerely believed in the existance of a higher power and they both accepted that power, that "being", whatever we humans chose to name Him ( or Her :-)) was not "religious", meaning He did not consider Himself from any particular "faith". They also loved to travel and traveling gave me and my sisters a rounded view of the many ways in which G-d is adored. We each picked our own afiliations... more for a social interchange than because we thought that particular direction was the right and only one. And so I got a Catholic sister and a Bhudist one. I chose to be a Jew because my Mom was a Jew and it makes me feel closer to her, kind of going back to my roots per say :-) I do have "faith' or whatever you want to call it... If I had to define it I would say its a gut feeling that I am not alone... that I am loved in the most intimate way of that word by an indefinable entity. Someone put it very clearly... I do not remember who right now loll ( Senior moment) but they said speaking of the belief in G-d something like " for those who have faith, there is no need of proof and for those who do not hav faith... no proof would ever be enough" So, there you have it... arguing about it... trying to convince someone that does not believe in what one believes is futile... a total waist of time... because until that time comes in which they experience their own enlighntment they will not change their minds. tolerance and respect are the only way to leave in peace...
Be well my friend... xoxoxo
PS When are they going to fix the darn spell check!!!!!!!!
posted by
Sinome
on July 14, 2013 at 4:01 PM
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The misunderstanding is thinking that I have misunderstood and am angry and hurt. The root of the whole matter, my comment saying the post was a bad one, was totally because of the whole generalization of the matter of those "born again" and those who are muslim. Generalizations of any people of race, creed, culture, religion, whatever is not good writing. The second post was so much better in that the writer spoke of emotions, personal experiences, and didn't run down any groups of people. You can write about me as much as you want, as long as I am not lumped together with anyone else. I am unique (as is every human being). I am worthy of individual note. Go on with your series, just remember that I am reading. 
posted by
TAPS.
on July 14, 2013 at 11:32 AM
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This is a great discussion among people I respect.
Keep talking, everyone. :)
posted by
Pat_B
on July 14, 2013 at 5:04 AM
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I was a non believer for 57 years and expieranced very little of what we all seem so afraid of here, the villianess of the religious right. I get much more of this from those non-believers telling me what a fool I am to believe in what was the miricle that saved my life, and yet, here I am...Still alive and kicking. To some, that was just my state of mind working to save myself, but then, some do not know me...I didn't want to be saved.
posted by
UtahJay
on July 14, 2013 at 12:00 AM
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Like TAPS just said in her latest post (see http://www.blogit.com/Blogs/Blog.aspx/TAPS./746664 ), her comment has stirred the pot and given us some excellent reading done by some excellent writers in here!
posted by
adnohr
on July 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM
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Nautikos
" In the most general sense, and from the point of view of rational, scientific thought, religions are the quintessential, most fundamental expression of the human need to collectively create the myths necessary for making sense of a mysterious world, and thereby also of their own collectivities."
I loved that paragraph especially, I've had an atheist as a great pal for years now, that is tough for a fallen away Catholic, but it's given me good relaxation of a Sunday
posted by
WileyJohn
on July 13, 2013 at 7:51 PM
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hmmm...
I dunno if a discussion is impossible..
As a person of "faith" I have been more offended by people who call them selves Christian than any atheist or agnostic. There is a way to have civil conversations about faith, and god or God in my world.
Sorry to hear that trouble is brewing over this subject. I look forward to seeing what you have to say Naut.
~ A black sheep
posted by
Blue_feathers
on July 13, 2013 at 6:27 PM
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I am looking forward to reading subsequent installements.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on July 13, 2013 at 6:14 PM
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well written post and I look forward to more that is to come.
posted by
Kabu
on July 13, 2013 at 6:06 PM
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