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That's one interpretation, lion. But to me, these skin-tight, black stretch pants don't really appear to be either sexy or cheap. They just seem to be inappropriate "going out on the town" clothing when worn by themselves. The women look as though they are either coming or going to the gym, or stopped half way through dressing themselves and uttered "Uh, good enough!" And you may have opened a whole new can of worms with that term hookerware . . . 
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JimmyA
on March 20, 2013 at 6:19 AM
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I can't disagree there, TAPS. Yes, I've seen some women in their 50's and 60's who can wear certain "young women's" clothes, and not look all that bad. But then there are those who take it just a little too far, and end up looking pathetic instead of youthful! People should always try to dress in accordance to their age and physical make-up, and not try to be something, or someone, they're not!
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JimmyA
on March 20, 2013 at 6:15 AM
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Re: Re: Re: we usually agree on your topics but not today dear friend...cos I love
There ya go, Kabu! Yes, there are many women who can pull off that particular look, provided they do cover their butts! Certain items of clothing don't look all that spectacular on their own, but combined they can complete a nice ensemble. And by the way, it's okay if we disagree on something once in a while! We're all adults, and friends, here . . .
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JimmyA
on March 20, 2013 at 6:11 AM
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there are whole ranges of hookerware out there these days... I tend to feel that things like that aren't sexy so much as cheap
posted by
lionreign
on March 20, 2013 at 3:55 AM
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What makes me shudder is not what the young women wear, but what the old women who want to look young, wear. Now that is pretty bad looking. LOL
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TAPS.
on March 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM
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Re: Re: we usually agree on your topics but not today dear friend...cos I love
back on the same page LOL....and if i wear tights when we are out to dinner, I wear a beautiful cashmere tunic and boots and i have really special jewellery to dress me up as well.
You are right, I would never wear tights with a short top. Ugh....
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Kabu
on March 19, 2013 at 1:53 PM
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Another interesting concept, C C T. Yeah, I suppose a few would look like giant pandas with invisible fur! And it's easy to pretend not to look, but sometimes it's like slowing down to see the aftermath of a four-car pile up. You don't want to look but . . .
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM
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Well Jimmy I just pretend not to look, A pity we don't have fur some would look like giant Pandas. I expect there would be a dye to make the the fur transparent such is human nature. 
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C_C_T
on March 19, 2013 at 12:50 PM
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Re: jimmy,
Well, jean, I never thought of that, but that's an interesting theory and concept! However, the clothing industry employs millions of people, and who knows what would happen to our economy if we all went around naked!
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 8:28 AM
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Thank you, sam. Thank you for seeing exactly what I was talking about. It's not about rape or sexual assault or even lewd comments. It's just about personal pride, and not wearing something that will draw unnecessary looks from people who will only shake their heads in either disbelief or even disgust! Comedian Dennis Miller once made a simple joke about "over-sized" people wearing tank-tops. He said "If you're built like a tank . . . don't wear the top!" I think that may apply to these "over-sized" women wearing these skin-tight pants . . .
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 8:25 AM
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I can't disagree with you on that, Wiley, just like I can understand your hesitance to get involved in the discussion. But admit it . . . haven't you been somewhere when someone walked by wearing something a bit eccentric or outlandish that made you shake your head in disbelief?
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 8:21 AM
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I totally agree, Annicita, but a lot of people seem to feel I was driving at women drawing unnecessary attention to themselves that could possibly lead to rape or assault. That's not was this is about. I'm merely pointing out that people who dress in a way to draw attention to themselves should not get upset when they succeed! No comments, no physical contact, no crimes committed . . . just a "look" from passing strangers that basically says "What in the world are you wearing?" or "Why would you wear that here?" I believe there is appropriate attire, depending on the locale or the function, just as I believe there may be inappropriate attire for certain locales or functions. That's all I was talking about . . . 
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 8:18 AM
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Re: Jimmy
Is that what it takes, Naut? So is it the Canadian dollar versus the American dollar, or Canadian breasts versus American breasts? Look but don't touch . . . !
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 8:12 AM
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Re: we usually agree on your topics but not today dear friend...cos I love
That's true, Kabu. I didn't mean to turn this into any extreme cases. Yes, there are many women who can wear certain dresses, gowns and tops that show a little cleavage that look very handsome and stylish. And I'm sure that those leisure pants are very comfortable. But you mentioned wearing them with a tunic top. Would you ever consider going out to dinner wearing those pants with no tunic top? Probably not, right? They may be alright to wear around the house or at the gym, but out on the town, they will draw a lot of attention! And you're right . . . I wouldn't want to see any guy's butt crack under any circumstances . . .
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 8:10 AM
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No argument here, lovelylady! And thank you for mentioning the parent's roll in how these girls ( and boys ) dress today. I know my parents would have never allowed my two sisters to leave the house wearing tight, short skirts and no panties, nor would they have let me or my three brothers leave with our trousers hanging off of our butts and our underwear protruding above our belt-line. Self-respect has to start somewhere, why not in the home? Sorry that trip to the mall had to be marred by that skateboarding incident. Now you'll know to avert your eyes the next time you see a young girl near you riding a skateboard wearing a short skirt!
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 8:04 AM
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Re: They started out being called 'leggings'
I concur, Ciel, and yes, there are several women who can pull off that look, with a nice top or sweater. But like I wrote, there are several women who opt to not cover their rear ends, and some look as if they are headed for the gym instead of a night on the town. And I agree that there are many men who can get easily "riled up" over such visuals, but that's not really what I was trying to point out. I'm just talking about viewing someone's attire with raised eyebrows and looks of confusion. As for me, I think I prefer tile to linoleum . . .
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 7:56 AM
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I totally agree, adnohr, although I really wasn't attempting to take this particular observation to that extreme. Although many defense lawyers have tried, there is never, ever a good excuse for rape, sexual assault or even lewd comments or behavior. In this aspect, I was merely talking about voyeurism, people drawing visual attention to themselves because of the way they are dressed. Don't tell me you've never passed someone, man or woman, on the street or in a store, wearing something somewhat bizarre or a little over-the-top, that made you execute a double-take and exclaim "What the heck are they wearing?" That's all I was striving for . . .
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 7:50 AM
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They probably are, FSI. I'll have to admit, some women can make the ensemble look nice, while others should consider that over-sized sweater . . .
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 7:42 AM
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That's true, mariss, although many people will always claim that others shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Voyeurism is a huge spectator sport in this country, and apparently, some people don't mind being in the spotlight!
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 7:40 AM
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That is possible, lustor, but that's not necessarily where I was heading with this discussion. I was merely pointing out the obvious contradiction of someone dressing a certain way that draws attention to themselves, then getting somewhat upset because people are "looking" at them! It's a bizarre society we're living in today . . .
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JimmyA
on March 19, 2013 at 7:37 AM
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jimmy,
the category these fall under is from years back, they called it camel toe.
and few people carry shame anymore.
and why women would want to show their butts, it might have something to do with their obsession with men's butts.
just being silly now, but if everyone in the world went from birth to death naked, we wouldnt have these problems.
posted by
jeansaw
on March 18, 2013 at 10:04 PM
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I have seen the women you speak of and they are an embarassment to themselves plus they flat out gross me out because those that wear them in my area are rather obese! sam 
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sam444
on March 18, 2013 at 8:32 PM
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JimmyA
Not the kind of discussion I'd wade into, older is smarter. 
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WileyJohn
on March 18, 2013 at 8:20 PM
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mmmmm lots of interesting thoughts expressed here. I definitely don't agree with all of them.
Any woman who wears tight clothes is perceived to be asking for it. I definitely don't agree with that one. Men who rape do it for power not sex. It's a matter of exerting power over women when they feel powerless.
Men are going to look whether her clothes are tight or not. Men are going to make comments.... even other women. I remember wearing a t shirt and baggy painter's pants and yes I still got the looks and comments.
A woman has the right to not wear panties if she so feels like it however she should also take into consideration where she is going. A mall, ball park etc are definitely not such places especially if you plan on cheering for your team or bending over...and really isn't that kind of hard not to do when you are shopping?
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Annicita
on March 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM
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Jimmy
Well, in Ontario women are allowed to go topless in public, i.e. without covering their breasts; I guess it's all in the interest of increasing tourism...
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Nautikos
on March 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM
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we usually agree on your topics but not today dear friend...cos I love
to wear both tights and leisure pants.with a tunic top of course. So warm and so comfy but i feel better with a tunic length top ...But. me matey, there is nothing in this world more ugly than the male butt Crack showing cos the pants don't cover it. Now if women stuffed something down the pants, poked laughed or painted with a brush...would men enjoy that?? I actually think creamy healthy skin cleavage is very pretty, shouldn't be a problem actually. Blokes just have to take control of their sexual feelings...own them, and not blame women. I don't mean females wearing slutty stuff, but elegant can also show a little skin.
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Kabu
on March 18, 2013 at 5:01 PM
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Dzien dobry Jimmy...
I have to agree with what you say here. Countless times, I have seen women walking down the street flaunting their "goods" yet the moment a man so much as dares look at her, it's "Dream on, swine!" Why in the world do women degrade themselves this way?
One evening a few years ago, Margaret and I were on the way home from seeing a film and had stopped inside the mini mall to call for a taxi home. As we sat waiting and chatting, two young men and a young lady came whizzing by. One of the boys was on a skate board. The young lady was wearing a very short, VERY tight skirt.
She decided she wanted a turn on the skate board. She leaned down to grab it, and Margaret and I got an eyeful we definetly DID NOT want!
She was wearing no panties. Margaret and I were not only horribly embarrassed for ourselves, but for her. We told her she really needed to leave the mall. After all, there were small children around who did not need to see this kind of behaviour.
The three just laughed out loud and whizzed on. What kind of morals did this girl's parents teach her? And the parents of the young men? They obviously found no shame in what she was doing.
It just makes me so sad to see and hear the way men and women disrespect their own bodies and the bodies of others these days.
posted by
lovelyladymonk
on March 18, 2013 at 3:11 PM
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They started out being called 'leggings'
and were worn with a tunic-length top, a style reminiscent of medieval or renaissance fantasy garb. I've seen it look quite nice, without being the least bit crude or 'slutty.' But there will always be the girls who think fashion is all about teasing and showing off, riling up male attention. Of course, males of a certain age or mentality, get all riled up thinking of kitchen linoleum.
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Ciel
on March 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM
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The way of dressing is an attempt (however in bad taste it may be)to be admired, desired...but certainly window shopping only, and no touching unless permitted. Sorry, but if men can't control their sexual desires, they are less than animals. In fact, the male animal will mount a female when she shows she is okay with it. Not by force. I don't give a damn how much skin is showing, it is still NO EXCUSE for rape, or even lewd comments.
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adnohr
on March 18, 2013 at 12:59 PM
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What you wrote here in this entry makes a lot of sense to me. I am amazed at how some people dress...I definitely consider those pants to be in the "Way Out There" category.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on March 18, 2013 at 10:46 AM
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They are obviously inviting observation whether they pretend or think they mind or not. Even modern people have to face reality eventually. They could be targets for wolves if they display themselves enough.
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mariss9
on March 18, 2013 at 9:28 AM
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my son and I have had conversations on this subject and as a high school student girls would say to guys why you looking at me? Now if you dont want to be looked at dont dress like that, and it also makes them a target for rape as far as I am concerened
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Lanetay
on March 18, 2013 at 8:48 AM
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