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Re: Agree and Disagree CPKLAPPER
Even for those cases where teachers would be helpful, it is crucial that they teach what needs to be taught. Social Advancement prevents this by adopting a cookie-cutter curriculum for students of a certain age. Age X implies Grade X-5 implies a curriculum covering all subjects as if every student needs help learning the same material in each subject at the same time. For this madness, I blame the law. For decades now, I have been begging, pleading and cajoling my legislators establish a Regents Diploma and Regents Degrees based solely on course credit earned by passing course exams. That would be the Merit Advancement to end all Social Advancement. I have yet to get a coherent response from any of my legislators.
Come to think of it, that is where we desperately need some expert teachers. Do you think you could teach the New Jersey Legislature about the advantages of Merit Advancement over Social Advancement?
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cpklapper
on February 1, 2012 at 9:50 AM
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Each Made Exceptional Points
Thanks for your comments on this topic. It is a challenge in this area. As many of you indicated we were taught to respect adults with no discussion!! All do not operate in respectful manners. Those who do not must be confronted by someone so they will show respect for others!
Due to dealing with issues with my brother, I am unable to respond to each of you, though I would prefer!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on February 1, 2012 at 12:16 AM
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Pat B
You are on to something there! Trust is the word. With trust comes respect! I will keep that in mind as I now see that it is also the foundation of other relationships. When a person trusts a person, they generally show and give respect!
This is a matter of linguistic style! Thanks!!
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Dr_JPT
on February 1, 2012 at 12:11 AM
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Pat B
You are on to something there! Trust is the word. With trust comes respect! I will keep that in mind as I now see that it is also the foundation of other relationships. When a person trusts a person, they generally show and give respect!
This is a matter of linguistic style! Thanks!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on February 1, 2012 at 12:11 AM
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BC_A
Very true. This is my risk taker side! When I give a general opinion, I look for to the specific points that others hold. This challenges my thinking and helps clarify issues. I generally find myself in a heated debate and often get attacked personally!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on February 1, 2012 at 12:04 AM
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Agree and Disagree CPKLAPPER
Few understand the individual needs of students. Many teachers find it easy to have a "cookie cutter" approach. They feel every student needs exactly the same teaching method and style with no variation or allowance for individual needs. I had the problem with the teachers of my children. My children were able to understand without the daily worksheets and redundant homework, yet were forced to complete or were given a zero that counted equal as a test.
Many students in the "honors classes" were the kids of the administrators and teachers who had the books and prepared their children by drill them and would disturb those who needed instruction.
I like the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND because it forces teachers to address individual needs. It also has built in assessments that will show whether the teacher does the job. Many poor teachers become administrators. THIS IS THE WORST PROBLEM!! It is then difficult to rid the system of poor teachers for the administrator was a poor teacher, who ends up superintendent!!
Rules and laws are good. Application and enforcement are the breaking points. Emotions leads to irrational thinking, then.....
I AGREE MANY LEARN VIA NO EFFORT OF A TEACHER!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on February 1, 2012 at 12:00 AM
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Respect for teachers is besides the point
when the state won't provide an independent and objective way for a student to earn their diploma. As it was, I gave far more respect to my "teachers" than my parents thought they deserved. My Mom was particularly angry at my first grade "teacher" for "babying" me. As for me, I realized at the outset that I wasn't going to be taught anything in school I didn't already know or couldn't learn ten times faster on my own. That is why I put "teacher" in quotes. The ones which were most helpful to me were so from enabling me to accelerate or pursue independent studies rather than from teaching. Sadly, there were precious few of those.
This might not apply to your example but you should know that there a good number of children who can and should be allowed to test out of most of the grades, get their diploma and move on to real education in college. Some of those children and their parents are extremely frustrated with a public school system which refuses to relinquish the reins over the granting of diplomas and who have gotten nothing but stalling tactics in the form of "talented and gifted" programs and "honors" classes. It is inevitable that a few of the children will play the "enfant terrible" in response. It is also to be expected that the parents will resent being told to respect the holder of a position which is irrelevant to their children's education and, given the context, respond by demanding reasons for that respect. Of course, there can be no reasons because the teacher is irrelevant as a teacher.
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cpklapper
on January 31, 2012 at 4:53 PM
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Dr. JPT
R I can see the need to be specific on issues in education love. BC-A, Bill’s RJJst
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BC-A
on January 31, 2012 at 4:24 AM
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A Good Lesson
I am very ahead of those years of dealing with children. However, I really liked your advice on how to make that situation better.
posted by
Amanda6
on January 30, 2012 at 9:02 PM
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Wow!
My daughter is almost 18 and while she might not actually respect every teacher she has (nor do I for that matter) she darned well better treat them respectfully unless she is given very good reason to do otherwise.
I am so tired of this fluffy nonsense that we are feeding into. I was raised to have moral, ethics and values and while I have made my mistakes, these things have served me well in life.
posted by
Bel_Marshall
on January 30, 2012 at 7:51 PM
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I am sure she does, but I worry she won't have the PC to use them. You are so right here, parents have a lot to learn.
posted by
UtahJay
on January 30, 2012 at 2:08 PM
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Dr.JPT
My former deceased wife was a teacher who taught in a co-op class setting where those 'tough' students that didn't want to be in regular high school were sent to her class run in an 'American' company that employed them part-time while they earned their required credits. Joycie was 'strong enough to use words to snap both in place!!' as you said.
posted by
WileyJohn
on January 30, 2012 at 10:57 AM
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It's so tough to be a teacher nowadays. I wish the teacher well.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on January 30, 2012 at 9:44 AM
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I have to agree that some posts should get automatic respect, and for a 7 year old that's everyone
posted by
lionreign
on January 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM
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Yes, ignorant is the right word
Every child ( especially of seven ) should respect every adult . . . regardless. If there's any discrepancy whatsoever, it's the parent's fault for not installing that kind of behavior in the first place.
posted by
JimmyA
on January 30, 2012 at 7:24 AM
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Certainly sounds like one egotistical parent there who is utterly clueless! Anyone who has authority over another and respects that authority should be treated as such! This sense of entitlement in this country is simply mind boggling! A 7 year is clueless as to what the world is about for my money! They need to follow the rules set down for them so they can be successful adults! But more often than not the children are a reflection of the beliefs of the parent and this mom is out of touch with reality in my humble opinion! sam
posted by
sam444
on January 30, 2012 at 6:45 AM
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Thanks for your visit. As a teacher for over 2 decades, I've sometimes encountered situations where teachers lose self respect (like asking parents for favors) and consequently, the respect of others.
posted by
Nita09
on January 30, 2012 at 5:21 AM
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i taught my children to respect their teachers.....however their teachers were not always so nice and some would even single my oldest son out and pick on him....i heard this not just from my son but other parents and students as well.....no one is perfect but the teacher must remember the children also mimic his/her behavior in how they treat others
posted by
Annicita
on January 30, 2012 at 5:12 AM
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Perhaps respect is the wrong word in this teacher-child context.
Parents early on must teach their toddlers to respect adults, be they teachers, law enforcement officers, waitresses, etc. Respect is due, and earned. What the teacher must earn is the child's trust.
The whole thing is complicated these days by fear of strangers, which seems woven into our daily lives by news stories of kidnapping, abuse, threats.
posted by
Pat_B
on January 30, 2012 at 4:42 AM
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