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Mariss9
You are exactly right! It takes one to know one, especially when one is leaning to their own understanding and not an expert on human behavior, the psychology of behavior and just calling as one sees through distorted lenses!!
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Dr_JPT
on January 28, 2012 at 4:34 AM
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Sam444
You are right, a person's thought do not supercede respecting boundaries. Labels cause many problems, yet most start with teasing to make self superior to another. It needs to stop, yet it seems out of hand now!
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Dr_JPT
on January 28, 2012 at 4:32 AM
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Penni76
I do the same. With the individuals who are stuck, I do my best to stay away froom them to avoid their negativity!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 28, 2012 at 4:24 AM
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UtahJay, Going Back is Never the Answer. Bush Deserved Respect Too
For me, I respect people in official capacities, no matter what I think of them as a person. I would never openly or overtly disrespect those in positions of authority, nor secretly or covertly undermine a person in a position of leadership. I believe in the constitution, moral and ethical rules of behavior and basic common sense.
NOTHING (NO THING) gives a person the right to be rude or disrespectful to another person. We are responsible to others. We demonstrate respect by what we say and do.
Also, I am a Republican. I believe in the basic philosophy of hard work, personal responsibility and reward for own effort.
Because I have held positions of leadership in many areas professionally, socially, and in school, I know what it is like to serve as a leader of rude, disrespectful and ignorant persons. It can be hell here on earth.
I was class valedictorian, president of the honor society, class secretary, secretary of PTO, alumni board of directors member of college of education, etc. As a teacher and assistant principal I met a lot of rude and disrespectful students and parents! Trust me, I know from many perspectives!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 28, 2012 at 4:20 AM
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So by the looks of things here we would like to go back to the way George Bush was treated as President?
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UtahJay
on January 27, 2012 at 2:05 PM
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I thought her conduct was demeaning to both offices - hers and
the President's. I feel she became aggressive toward him to score points with the Republican base. I have seen and see racism, overt and blatant and it really saddens me that there is still such a big portion of our populace/politics hung up on it. All I know to do is to protest and try reason and logic to counter. Works with some, others are just too stuck. 
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Penni76
on January 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM
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I thought the woman was way out of line and it showed more about her than anything she could have said. In the thought that she didn't think he did whatever she wanted in Washington is just that her thought and she is not entitled to be disrespectful on her darn thought! Brother some of these politicians can be so unbearable, it's like lose the ego and do your job. I wish labels and categories and profiling and all the negative junk that goes on that keeps people, especially and unequivocably people of color, from advancing and living the 'American dream' or whatever they chose on their own merit. So many wonderful minds get lost in the shuffle because of the damn boundaries (they don't have to be written, the implied ones are the most damaging) against them, absolutely blows my mind! sam 
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sam444
on January 27, 2012 at 8:53 AM
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It happens all the time; these phenomenon you describe. Not a good public image or right way to address a high authority; but people are angry at the way Washington has gone. It may take one to know one. 
posted by
mariss9
on January 27, 2012 at 7:06 AM
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WileyJohn
I agree totally with you!
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Dr_JPT
on January 27, 2012 at 1:03 AM
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Against4WindsOn2Flam
In her explanation, she was insulted because he did not listen to her as she preferred when she visited him at the White House. She mentioned nothing about the "causes for which she stood". If she went on national "TV" and specifically said that, I could understand.
I am for law and order! I firmly believe in upholding the law. As a school administrator, I followed laws and procedures to the letter. I was removed as an administrator because I would not make exceptions and allow certain groups to receive lesser or no consequence for violating rules or policies.
My point is simply this, it was rude and disrespectful of her to point her finger at the President of the United States, no matter what! Respect the office if not the person. To me it is the same as a child pointing a finger at a parent, a individual pointing a finger at a police, or a crook pointing the finger at a mobster! She was unaware of the bossing upward factor!!
I am frequently told that I am too much of a rule follower!!
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Dr_JPT
on January 27, 2012 at 1:01 AM
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Against4WindsOn2Flam
In her explanation, she was insulted because he did not listen to her as she preferred when she visited him at the White House. She mentioned nothing about the "causes for which she stood". If she went on national "TV" and specifically said that, I could understand.
I am for law and order! I firmly believe in upholding the law. As a school administrator, I followed laws and procedures to the letter. I was removed as an administrator because I would not make exceptions and allow certain groups to receive lesser or no consequence for violating rules or policies.
My point is simply this, it was rude and disrespectful of her to point her finger at the President of the United States, no matter what! Respect the office if not the person. To me it is the same as a child pointing a finger at a parent, a individual pointing a finger at a police, or a crook pointing the finger at a mobster! She was unaware of the bossing upward factor!!
I am frequently told that I am too much of a rule follower!!
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Dr_JPT
on January 27, 2012 at 1:01 AM
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UtahJay, I am Black
The point I attempted to make was that her action was in poor taste. If she had an issue with him, handle it privately, not in such a public manner as though she was reprimanding a child or dealing with a spouse. I have read Fredrick Douglas and the works of many authors on the subject. At the University of Florida, I had a course on Minorities in America that included more than just Blacks. At UF while earning a master's, I was inducted in PHI KAPPA PHI the national Honor Society. I hold a doctorate in Educational Leadership.
Trust me, I understand. In addition, I was an educator in the same county where the Rosewood massacre took place. A member of my church, Mom went through that hell.
I do not believe in using race as an excuse for anything. I do believe in conflict resolution in ways that offer a win-win while done in a professional/decent and orderly manner. Posturing and pretentious behavior is counter productive to me.
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 27, 2012 at 12:50 AM
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I agree with UtahJay. By federal law, illegal aliens are supposed to be stopped, arrested, and in most, if not all cases, deported. If the federal government will not enforce this law, who but the border states will. And they are supposed to be turned back by the federal government and told they are not allowed to stop a massive overflow of illegals into their state?
posted by
Against4WindsOn2Flam
on January 26, 2012 at 9:18 PM
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I have a feeling that the things Gov. Brewer did and said to President Obama didn't bother him nearly as much as she would have liked for them to.
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TAPS.
on January 26, 2012 at 7:27 PM
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Dr. JPT
The only remark or comment I can make is that since this President took office, there has been a lot of disdain for everything he has done or tried to do.I find it shocking that a peoples like Americans cannot treat the OFFICE with respect and that includes the man or woman who holds that office.
The debates in progress by the Republicans are sickening to me, with their antipathy towards their President so obviously racist/hate based.As men they have not even managed to speak of this President Obama with a modicum of compassion, this man who removed from this earth a devil as was Osama bin Laden.
That Governor of Arizona fits in with that group trying to become President, but she attacked her President physically, they haven't done that-yet!
To me it's God Save the Queen here, and I say God Save the President of the United States.
posted by
WileyJohn
on January 26, 2012 at 7:13 PM
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Jimmy a is so right, my black friends, friends I have had from childhood see it totally different. They tell me the only racism in America now is used for political gain by one party against another. They say that we must stop the division, lose the hyphen and come together as one nation under a president who is willing to fallow the Constitution. I would suggest that you read all of Frederick Douglas views on the Constitution and compare them to the president's. I also wonder if you own a home in a boarder state that is facing bankruptcy because of illegal immigration and wonder how you are going to pay the continually rising property taxes as they go to pay for an education system that simply can not handle the influx of Spanish speaking children, or if you know that because of the amount of heroin pouring across that border that the price of it has dropped to a point that it has become a major problem in the nations high schools...cheaper than pain pills. Maybe knowing what the Governor is facing as the states executive officer, being sued by the Obama administration for trying to get a handle on the problem. Maybe if you were in her shoes there just might be a bit of finger poking going on by your own hand.
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UtahJay
on January 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM
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I've read of instances but never saw one first hand.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on January 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM
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Lustorlove
She was very disrespectful in pointing her finger at him like that. She is confused. She thinks she is reprimanding a child who did not treat her as an entitled brat!! Makes one think the dumb blond joke is true!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 26, 2012 at 9:53 AM
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Re: You say passive-aggressive, I say black widow spider...
Pat B, you are so right!!
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 26, 2012 at 9:50 AM
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interesting since I am recently a new Arizonian and am not sure of this state. I was surprised she would of pointed her finger at the President
posted by
Lanetay
on January 26, 2012 at 9:07 AM
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You say passive-aggressive, I say black widow spider...
same behavior, almost -- wait, trap, destroy.
It seems to me Mr. Obama's skin is plenty tough considering the constant barrage of negative commentary during his administration. He has for the most part maintained his equanimity and behaved like a gentleman.
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Pat_B
on January 26, 2012 at 8:05 AM
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JimmyA
I agree totally! I just happen to have felt the brunt of the one that I listed. You are so right, it is in every category. Challenge of the opposites! Have/Have nots! Do/Do not! Yet with humans each are valuable. The problem surfaces when one decides to devalue another with word or deed to gain more attention or other rewards while putting the other down.
posted by
Dr_JPT
on January 26, 2012 at 7:53 AM
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Not first hand
But breaking everything down into the sub-catagories is probably part of the problem. Men and women, black and white, Republican and Democrat, heterosexual and homosexual, Christian, Jew or Muslim, Easterner and Westerner, Northerner and Southerner . . . can't people remember, and focus on, the fact that we're all Americans, and we're all human beings? It's these subdivisions that are killing us!
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JimmyA
on January 26, 2012 at 7:40 AM
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