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Katray
I respectfully agree that facts are best tools for debate. However, this information from Scopes has a lot of maybe and possibly. Those words do not constitute facts. From googling and reading much more I see more for than against; however that is also part of the non-factual. Also neither you nor I have read for ourselves the total 2,600 pages of this bill and are not able to debate more than we get from other sources at this time. Thank you for your reply and the information you supplied.
posted by
Justi
on September 14, 2010 at 11:19 AM
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Don't let em get to you, remember the media they get their information from is the same media that has misrepresented truth in so many ways that Americans are turning from them in droves. To see what will happen here one needs only to look to our friends in Europe for the real story.
posted by
UtahJay
on September 14, 2010 at 10:58 AM
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snopes.com:
"The health care legislation does not include language which specifically exempts members of any particular religion from health insurance requirements. It does include a general "religious conscience" provision that establishes guidelines under which religious groups which have established conscientious objections to certain forms of insurance may seek exemption from health insurance requirements.
Members would have to be adherents of a religion or sect described in section 1402 of the Internal Revenue code, which governs exemptions from Social Security and Medicare taxes on self employment income.
A crucial factor is how this requirement is to be applied. Groups such as the Anabaptists (i.e.; Amish, Mennonites, Hutterites) would likely qualify for an exemption from the health insurance requirement as they have an established history of declining Social Security benefits.
U.S. Muslims do not have a tradition of spurning Social Security taxes or benefits, so it could be unlikely they will qualify for a health insurance exemption. Islam is a much larger religion with practices that vary according to sect and region. Some Muslim groups have no objections to health insurance."
I appreciate your response to my response, Justi. Views may differ but facts and respect are necessary components of civil and meaningful debate.
posted by
Katray2
on September 14, 2010 at 1:00 AM
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Katray
I did read the Scopes link when I received this paper. Can you show me evidence that it is not a part of this health care package? I respect your feelings for the American population of Muslims, but I don't feel the same way about them and their religion. I ask you to respect my opnions and my findings. But I ask you what other group ever in our history has asked for the right to establish their laws in this country? No one would have been granted such a right. No one should ever be granted that right.
posted by
Justi
on September 13, 2010 at 11:56 PM
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From Urban Legends:
A *new forwarded email falsely claims that Muslims are "specifically exempt" from the mandate to purchase insurance under the new health care legislation, declaring in all seriousness that this represents the establishment of Sharia (Islamic law) and "Dhimmitude" (subjugation to Muslim rule) in the good ol' U.S.A.
Analysis: This text contains an astounding array of inaccuracies and exaggerations.
(new as on Saturday April 24, 2010)
The snopes link in your post should be read for further clarification.
posted by
Katray2
on September 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM
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