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Re: Re: Re: graffiti and comments have an affect on the person reading it, but it
Tzippy, TY! Noting evil grows in the light.
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 6, 2010 at 10:36 AM
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Re: Re: graffiti and comments have an affect on the person reading it, but it
dsm, that is precisly what they do, I understand your point, and I love the emotional conversation that you have started here. It is good to talk about it because it is so important.
posted by
Tzippy
on August 6, 2010 at 10:12 AM
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Corbin, No, no...good grief! That's just projection. You know you're like a child told to do a task, you can think of a dozen ways to argue with mother, when it would have been much simpler to just mind. That's not being conservative, that's being ADHD / oppositional-defiant. A real conservative, like Lindsey Graham, would answer the question and give a valid reason for it. Oh well, anyways you didn't threaten me so I'm grateful for that. Thanks! Have a great day!
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 6, 2010 at 9:12 AM
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Straw man alert!
Attack the messenger instead of the message......Where'd you learn that tactic? From the Democratic Underground. I don't have to be defensive about a damned thing....I am sick however, of you and your ilk using it as an issue when nothing else..... like substantive positions work.
You're the one who posted this....and it was wholly based on and aimed at racism.......as an issue. Otherwise, you would have given attention to the theft that had occurred....but that would have diminished the "effect" would it not?
Hey, it's your post...have fun with it.....
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 6, 2010 at 2:49 AM
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Writing this type of garbage on anything is just wrong. When this man complained they asked him to resign. Not only should his supervisor, but his manager and anyone who was involved in this mess who supported the decision for him to resign needs a discipline action filed against them, because their lack of proper investigation and the correct action caused allot of people to die/LBJ
posted by
MsJudy
on August 5, 2010 at 10:10 PM
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Re: graffiti and comments have an affect on the person reading it, but it
Tzippy, Thank you. No one said that thievery was a smart response to whatever situation the gunman was experiencing. Never should you commit an aggression, much less a crime, in retaliation to slights, real or unreal. But some bloggers concluded rashly that false assumption. It is a common flaw in clear thinking.
Empathy shown about unhealthy corporate work place, does not equate to excusing the crime. However, angry bloggers with a weak argument will make rash charges like that, back them up with insults and threats (no threats in this case), and through intimidation (emotional appeal) try to win the argument. It's a very effective way to rouse the rabble -- since the days of Plato -- now however it has a name.
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 9:17 PM
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CD, using your logic, I assume that you are saying that the work place is as safe as can be, and there is no racism? That wouldn''t explain all the "goingpostals". I merely pointed out that there was a charge of racial harrassment. I'm stating therefore, that there are victims on both sides. How is that "really sick"? You seem quite defensive about the race issue. What are you covering up? Do tell.
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 9:07 PM
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graffiti and comments have an affect on the person reading it, but it
certainly is not going to make anyone kill. If they kill its so much more than a commant or graffiti and they would have killed if something else rubbed them the wrong way.
As you know a good member of blogit got kicked off because some stupid bloger took it upon themselovesd to get offended and kick them out, so you see its the person that kicked him out that should have been kicked out, that would have made for more sense.
certainly people who are not kind, are not doing the right thing, but its only words, and come on if you can't take words what can you take?
posted by
Tzippy
on August 5, 2010 at 8:48 PM
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Nothing better than to ridicule the object standing in the way of a beautiful story of rampant racism, eh Kingmi? Perhap they should have just put him in time out?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM
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Uh....You don't think he kind of had an idea of why he was being called into the office, where he was shown a video of his committing the theft. He was offered the choice of quitting or being fired. He signed a statement. I'm sorry, you're wanting to have a racist story to dance around here and we just don't know everything yet......
We wouldn't want to jump to conclusions as badly as your President and his people did with sister Shirley, would we?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 5, 2010 at 8:22 PM
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Wiley, I'm witholding judgement on that until I get more info. It seems like a convenience that he had a gun at his evaluation. Or was all the shooting about making a getaway with -- what, the beer?
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 8:21 PM
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Teach
Sad is what it is but I like Corbin's remark, what about him being a thief?
posted by
WileyJohn
on August 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM
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Corbin, Yes, clear that up for me will you? He gets fired and happens to have a gun on him for the morning shift?
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 8:06 PM
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Why do we seem to ignore the Theft issue? you know, the one that got him fired.......or doesn't it fit in with the Racist issue that borders on promoting an agenda? Why is that?
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 5, 2010 at 7:55 PM
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Darson, right, but the work place is a competitive environment, and the most common threats are anonymous. Employees assume the threats -- which can't be proven -- come from management; then somone gets the idea that, you know, maybe we're playing "pass it on". No one wants to be left out in that game. Some CEO's consider it "the offense" in the game versus employee reticence vis-a-vis production.
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 7:20 PM
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FormerStudentIntern., Now you run a business. Do you see any wiggle room for people who are being harrassed at work, but do not wish to ose their jobs?
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 7:15 PM
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dCorbin,It is plain to see that there are victims on both sides.AA anyone?
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 5:47 PM
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Ash Pradem, thank you for the civil tone & reasoning?
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 5:41 PM
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Katray, toxic corp environment keeps both sides poisoned.
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 5:40 PM
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sinome, yes and this discussion implies involuement of addictions too.
posted by
dsm_tchr
on August 5, 2010 at 5:36 PM
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The man must have been horribly disturbed....perhaps he had been tormented
and harrassed for a long time...but no I am not condoning mass murder, any kind of murder, I felt sick when I heard the news and still do...there are laws in place against racism taunting ...there is help outside the work place where help can be obtained surely. If it were my loved one dead because of mass murder/ suicide.....whatever had driven the killer wouldn't really comfort me.
posted by
Kabu
on August 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM
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Tragedies like this are so sad. I wish that there could be a time of peace.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on August 5, 2010 at 5:24 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Uhhh...a man who kills 8 people is the victim?
Corbin, the more people will stick to core human values, the more society will progress on the path of civility, despite any dogmas. Thanks for commenting aptly.
posted by
ash_pradhan
on August 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM
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Re: Re: Uhhh...a man who kills 8 people is the victim?
Ash....I agree...if what is claimed is true, some of those people could have been charged with a hate crime. But to slaughter people.....sorry, no excuse.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 5, 2010 at 1:12 PM
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Re: Uhhh...a man who kills 8 people is the victim?
Killing of innocent people by anyone, anywhere, for any reason cannot & will not be condoned, period. And the same goes for any racial harassment. However, the punishment must be in proportion to the crime. These are the tests of a civil society.
posted by
ash_pradhan
on August 5, 2010 at 1:05 PM
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Uhhh...a man who kills 8 people is the victim?
According to the liberal media, there isn't much that cannot be blamed on the nefarious white man and his racism. A black guy is caught stealing, loses his job, snaps, and starts shooting people and whose fault is it? If you're white, it's yours. Here's the headline:
Family: Racial Bias Caused Conn. Gunman to Snap
That's how ABC sees fit to summarize Omar Thornton's killing of eight people and wounding of two others. Don't you feel guilty about driving him to this?
Kingmi2, I didn't see where you mentioned something pertinent to the case.... HE WAS FIRED THAT MORNING BECAUSE HE WAS STEALING BEER......gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with some of his "anger"?
As for the theft that precipitated his killing spree....I guess the prog logic here is — if the government can pass out $billions of other people's money to reward people for being black, why couldn't Thornton help himself to a little beer?
I'd like to know why he didn't file any complaints.....about his racial harassment?
To call this man a victim is ridiculous...... the victims here were the people attacked( that would be the people killed and taken away from their families). Are you saying that even if these things took place this man was justified to KILL? That's really very sick.
Sorry, I prefer to see how this progresses before jumping to conclusions.......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 5, 2010 at 12:47 PM
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Oh my gosh. I hate that word. Whoever uses it has problems far beyond racism.
And a person can only take so much harassment. Not to say a killing is all right, but we underestimate people and their ability to absorb shock after emotional shock.
posted by
Darson
on August 5, 2010 at 12:26 PM
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Toxic and tragic indeed, Dsm..
A most heart rending subject well expressed. Years ago, I remember hearing about companies requiring their employees to attend sensitivity seminars whenever a racial condition was noticed, to defuse the situation and ideally teach people not to be so cruel and narrow minded. I'm sure there were those who scoffed, protested, etc., but at least it was a start toward workplace harmony and hopefully carried over into all areas of life. I guess with the corporations becoming ever more greedy for profit line increases, these were dropped.
posted by
Katray2
on August 5, 2010 at 12:11 PM
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ooops
meant to write "trivializing " not " minimizing" ... sorry :-) xoxoxo
posted by
Sinome
on August 5, 2010 at 12:03 PM
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So awful... Why is it we can grow every which way as a Nation but still persist in minimizing and sometimes even condoning the senseless antics of racism? Be well xoxoxo
posted by
Sinome
on August 5, 2010 at 12:02 PM
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Hard to believe this still goes on!
posted by
ash_pradhan
on August 5, 2010 at 11:51 AM
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