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Interesting to read Nautikos,
posted by
yellowrose55
on May 16, 2010 at 4:48 PM
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nobody should be quiet about injustice
so I commend your treatise here on such.
Actually, this shows what conditions can be when a religion dominates a region and several countries.
We in the West are free of this because our forbears shook off the yoke of an oppressive controlling religion that dominated Western Europe for centuries and ideas of freedom were allowed in.
As I said, early Mohammedanism was quite tolerant, and great ideas abounded. We got zero from Moorish Spain. We got geometric formulations that expedited much of European activity, from projectile trajectories to building bridges and great cathedrals also from Muslim territory. In fct, Europe's Dark Ages were more or less dispelled partially with ideas from the Moslem world.
It's just modern radical elements that have "radicalized" the religion and a certain isolation that maintains the status quo there.
And I still maintain that Mohammedanism is not alone in religious fundamentalism. Christians were just as bad at one time; and some still are.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM
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Nautikos
Great writing prof and you have had my opinion on the subject- sometimes deleted by strange forces- LOL but in time all the Muslim crap will disappear, like the crusade crap did years ago but the Muslim's will be more spread out across the world now as Christianity was then.
"The Crusades strongly affected the imagination and aspirations of people at the time, and to this day they are among the most famous chapters of medieval history." Microsoft ® Encarta ® 2006. © 1993-2005
So big deal, in the future these may be the most famous or infamous chapters of the shorter history of Islam
posted by
WileyJohn
on May 12, 2010 at 9:59 AM
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Re: Naut,
Yes, they do need to read this!!!!
posted by
Tzippy
on May 11, 2010 at 9:33 PM
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I, for one do not wish that you be silenced, :)
I love your blogs and look forward to the news you bring forth. As for woman in Islam, you dont have to be a fanatic muslim to casually kill your own daughter if she happens to have sex. Why the silence about all those poor young girls that get killed????
posted by
Tzippy
on May 11, 2010 at 9:32 PM
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It is distressing what things are done to the innocent in the name of religion.
posted by
TAPS.
on May 11, 2010 at 6:33 PM
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I have found it interesting that the West has not questioned the treatment of women in those radical countries. It seems like when it does get brought up it is very low on the depth chart...Like you say the women in Islam are going to be important one way or anothr when it comes to change or the things being status quo.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on May 11, 2010 at 4:35 PM
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Naut
There are several Former Muslim women writing about the plight of women and the fears they have here for writing such. Nothing will bring down Islam until the end of this worldly society as we know it. That is not too far into the future.
posted by
Justi
on May 11, 2010 at 4:07 PM
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U The raping impresses me. BC-A, Bill’s RJLst
posted by
BC-A
on May 11, 2010 at 5:08 AM
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Naut,
You know what's funny -- I finally read this book, "Jefferson's War" that pretty much sums up everything you're talking about, though not as eloquently. It's a matter of history, really. And I can't get much farther than the idea that everyone needs to read -- and they need to read you first.
posted by
strat
on May 10, 2010 at 8:41 PM
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It is terrible how women are treated in those countries, but you want to know what is even more horrible? how educated muslim women rationalize that type of behavior and hence enable it. While I was a graduate student one of my closest friends was a girl from Saudi Arabia. Me being Jewish and she obviously Muslim you can imagine that we did not discuss much politics or religion loll but there were times when we, after a couple of drinks, engaged in discussions about our beliefs. I was always astounded at the things she said...how she defended the "law" and made it seem almost beautiful. As an example, she said that the reason women covered themselves was because they did not want anyone but the man they loved to see their beauty... touch their hair... etc etc...( no mention here of young girls made to marry old men they did not even like and be buried in burkas for ever) When I told her once she was a second class citizen in her own country she replied that she was not considered "less" but rather "more" and that was the reason she was not to work out in the world and had to be protected as the treasure that she was. This from a woman that I, and all her professors , consider brilliant in her studies. Like you said is the silence of those who rationalize what they deep down have to know its wrong that perpetuates the sad situation of women in the Arab countries. We here in the west are also guilty... Good post Naut I look forward to the rest of it. xoxoxo
posted by
Sinome
on May 10, 2010 at 8:29 PM
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