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Muslims I know are not that way.
That's all I need to know.
What's written is just words. It's individual choice whether to act per the words. Most Muslims choose not to follow radical ideas.
It's just like some Christians' writings that advocate violence. That does not represent the entirety of Christendom (although Christians have been just as violent as anybody else -- it's a human trait, not a religious one).
Again, they are just words written on a piece of paper. Christians want to contrast the Muslims writings against the peaceful teachings of Jesus. Those, also, are just words. Witness Christians throughout the millenia failng to heed those teachings and engage in senseless violence.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 17, 2009 at 1:59 PM
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"Ayayay Naut!" - (says Sinome holding her head between her hands) ...
Excellent as this post is, I tend to feel sorry for Chuck. Its probably just me and my non confrontational personality, and I know you make valid points through out this series, but I feel terrible when I see someone's beliefs, no matter how different from mine, disasembled in front of their eyes. It is OK to debate I guess and you do it very well Naut. You are informed and back up your words with proof of what you say. Also, you are respectful ( most of the time :-)) of the other's religion or views, which I think its comendable since we all live together on this here earth and must learn to tolerate each other. If we ridicule the way other's adore G-d, if we dismiss their holy books and proclaim ours is the only true way... what makes us different from them? It is horrible what happened in 9-11 or what happened on an almost everyday basis in Israel's streets... or in Serbia... or in Uganda... but we can not generalize.. we do not throw out a barrel of fruit becauase we found a few bad ones in it. and not one religion can claim their members have not at one point of history or another comitted atrocities in the name of their god. I should stop writing now because I am out of my element here. I just wanted to express my opinion. I could never do what you are doing half as well as you do it. I would always be afraid to cross the line... you know that line that separates debating a point with someone concerning their beliefs , from instead of discussing, attacking them because of what they believe in. Be well my friend xoxoxo
posted by
Sinome
on December 17, 2009 at 8:33 AM
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Naut.
Well done. I'm sure Chuck understands and is now at peace. Or, he's buying an uzi over the internet, gonna find out where you live and come to your house and shove the Koran up your ass. LOL.
Great post.
posted by
Hackthorne19
on December 17, 2009 at 6:19 AM
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Nautikos
This is excellent once again. If this is not clear one may consider learning the alphabet all over again in their given langue, then using it to learn not to teach first. It is not about clarity, me thinks, but about inner pictures of beliefs right or wrong, just or unjust that have been drawn by those around those who are born into a religion be it Chrisitianity or Islam. I was born to Christian parents, but not into the faith. Your first quote on this blog should have put an end to the argument, it says it all, but one has to be thinking not going on years of rote thought. Thank you so much. I love your tolerance, it is based on intelligence, patience and justice. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate you.
posted by
Justi
on December 16, 2009 at 1:27 PM
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posted by
Ariala
on December 16, 2009 at 9:04 AM
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Naut, 
~ I just wanted you to know that I've read your blog here
and I didn't know:
Now, I will repeat what I have said on many other occasions: unlike some of my fellow atheists I have never and will never insult or belittle a man’s faith. Nor do I see religion as essentially pathological, as some atheists do.
You're an athiest? Why am I always the last to find things out here? 
~ 
and therefore I appreciate when you read my poetry ~ I do want you to know that I am so thankful you're always such a gentleman to me.
I don't understand all that is going on here - and I came here 'cause I wanted to is why.
Now, Athiest, Christian - Botswanian - Bipartisan - I don't claim any name - other than Connie Elyse - 'cause I just don't. I don't like names; don't like labels -
but I do know Naut, I certainly enjoy your Haiku
I read this - I feel for all that are upset - and I leave with respect and 
~ intact. Elyse
posted by
elysianfields
on December 15, 2009 at 10:44 PM
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Nautikos
I meet other bloggers on common ground in wisdom, that is, philosophy. You could do so in a philosophy course at a university. For myself I submit to my personal Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I enjoy the lines of Chuck. His blog on religion’s his and I watch. BC-A, Bill’s Roost
posted by
BC-A
on December 15, 2009 at 9:28 PM
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Since I have not read Chuck's comments I do not feel I should opine.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on December 15, 2009 at 7:27 PM
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As a true Christian my belief in God is who I am.
warts failings and all...I believe in the God head... three in one. One God, the Father, son and holy spirit. My faith is that of a child. No great theological learning...just a simple life of being cared for by God and trying to follow his will. A God of love not of war or hate or even luke warm tolerance but of real love for all creatures great and small.
posted by
Kabu
on December 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM
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Dear Naut, Betty, Chuck,
Let me first thank all three of you, all well-respected & intelligent writers, for trying your best to conduct a civil & informative debate, despite occasional attempts to the contrary by some commenters, especially by referring to personal attributes in a demeaning way. None of the three of you ever stooped that low during the debate, and hopefully are beginning to set at least the semblance of what a civil debate is, something that seems to have been missing in this site for a while.
Ok, now having opined myself :), please allow me to make a couple of simple suggestions, since I believe all three of you are highly intelligent, well-informed, well-meaning individuals:
Put yourselves in our shoes, me, Sam, El, and a host of other genuinely peace-loving folks, who find ourselves at a loss to contribute to resolving this on-going problem in the world about violence, specifically religion-based, and pointedly muslim-connected. I appeal to all 3 of you to put your individual egos aside, respect each other's knowledge & experience, and try to figure out what you can convey to us ordinary folks that would be of help, than perennially trying to prove who is right or wrong, who is a better expert, etc....frankly, we don't care, if it doesn't help us to be better contributors to society, then we will find other ways.
Please do not take these comments as meant to be offensive or insulting, they certainly are not...but if you sense a bit of frustration, you are not wrong. Best wishes, Ash
posted by
ash_pradhan
on December 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM
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a couple of things
one muslim here explained that, included in the definition of "believers" are Jews and Christians, so any hint of violence would be aimed elsewhere according to the Prophet.
and historically, Muslims have been kinder and more tolerant toward Jews and Orthodox Christians than have Western Christians. I am also sure that many problems arise from, first the Crusades of the Middle Ages, then from the imperialism of Western European powers, then from the actions of the U.S. in the Cold War.
I would suppose the Koran is like the Christian Bible; it has to be takenin the context in which it was written.
The problem with both religions is that neither group does.
Out of all Abraham's children, it seems the Jews do have the best (a pragmatic) approach to their holy writing.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM
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Well done! Well done, I say!
Wow, you are just filled with knowledge on this subject and spout it so efficiently and interestingly.
posted by
TAPS.
on December 15, 2009 at 9:29 AM
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