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Re: Re: Already Done!
Here's another twist. Going back to what I said about the similarities of the two. Imagine the liberal political thought process in Iran or Afghanistan. See what I mean? There again, as a conservative Christian, even though I completely disagree with the liberal thought process, God would not condone me killing a liberal but there again this would not matter to an Islam nation. They do not like change or definitely anything towards the liberal persuasion which is similar to my beliefs however I do not want to kill people because they think differently. I simply would rather they exist so all will know right from wrong. Yet all I see are liberals and atheist who seem to be supporting Islam. Interesting bed fellows. My thoughts on women would be considered ultra liberal in a Muslim nation yet look at me poltiically, I am right of Jesse Helms. So be thankful for this great nation and fight to defeat what is trying to kill us all and change our way of life...fight it until the end!
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RedStatesMan
on November 28, 2009 at 1:12 PM
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Re: Re: Already Done!
Like I said...I have never been to church and been ordered by God to go convert someone and if they do not then I must kill them. That is the simple truth of it. To further end this debate let me get personal for a minute. Since your son is an atheist and if God commanded me to go murder him because he has no conformed to my God then that would be a sin because as a Baptist I believe that murder is a sin. This would be wrong. However, Islam would obviously disagree with my beliefs. If we continue to let terrorism go on then your son and all of us would be risking our lives and way of life thus we MUST defeat terrorism. Hopefully, the moderate Muslims would then get the message.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on November 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM
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Re: Already Done!
RSM -- you are correct in a sense.
Although the Old Testament is replete with commands to basically exterminate the unbelieving nations of Palestine by the Hebrews, and other commands to kill certainpeople whose religouis practices do not agree with those of Israel, the New Testament has nothing like that.
It has peace, love, tolerance, etc. It has "love thy enemies".
What Christianity hasn't had in all its history is adherence to the principles of its founder. A lot of Christians remain hypocrites in that sense.
posted by
Xeno-x
on November 28, 2009 at 7:47 AM
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BINGO! Look at what upsets these radicals. Look at their beliefs towards women. They feel threatened in this world because they see their kind of life disappearing so they fight. The strange part of all of this is it is simply the struggle between good and evil. The amazing thing is that those radicals and certain people in this nation share the same beliefs. They see this world turning to Satan; it is just that they have a much different and wrong approach than Christians. Ever thought of it that way?
posted by
RedStatesMan
on November 27, 2009 at 10:17 PM
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Already Done!
I have already reflected on the quote at the top of your post here many times and awhile ago. What I find extremely interesting about your post is the word fascism and this quote from the koran.
I find it so telling when a liberal claims that all conservatives are fascist. This goes back to the many meaning you had stated. Also, when reading this quote from the koran, I always thought that there it is in black and white; the words 'fight against' and 'subdue'. We all know that this posture is not found in the Holy Bible. Yet, we seem to have liberals and atheist who seem to side with this stance for some odd reason. Attack Christianity and lift up Islam is what the before mentioned people seem to communicate. It is strange that a liberal and/or atheist would take such a stance. A liberal is against any form of aggressiveness even if it mean protecting one of their own. Why should an atheist side with this form of theory? I know the obvious answer but don't you think that is interesting?
As a Christian, I can say that we do not believe in fighting and subduing someone because they do not believe what we do. I can never remember my church forming an attack on anyone. That is because our religion does not believe in such. Islam obviously does believe in it. There it is in black and white. Why can't some understand this obvious fact? As far as moderate Muslims go, yes I do know a family who would be catergorized as such. Since 9/11 and before, I have often wondered why they do not mobilize against such evil or is it a "we do not support that belief" (wink) kind of thing?
GREAT POST!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on November 27, 2009 at 10:08 PM
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I believe the term Islamo-Fascist fits perfectly.
posted by
FormerStudentIntern
on November 27, 2009 at 7:36 PM
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I think that probably the problem will never be solved---but, that doesn't mean that we should stop looking for a solution. I like the way you keep us informed.
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TAPS.
on November 27, 2009 at 10:08 AM
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And yet, there is hope: From the website of a Moderate Muslim Washington, DC thinktank:
The clever adoption of the Palestinian cause has made it difficult for peaceful Muslims to attack terrorist organizations such as Islamic Jihad and HAMAS. The real aim of organizations such as Al-Qaeda, HAMAS, Hezbollah and countries such as Iran is not just the “liberation of Palestine” but the creation of a fundamentalist Muslim empire made up of every Muslim nation. This desire to create a Muslim empire is based on the delusion that modernity is a threat to Islam and the idea that the Muslim community has strayed from God and if they were to return to a strict interpretation of Islam that the problems in the Muslim world would be solved. It is this exact mentality spurned of paranoia, ignorance and fear that inspired and supported the Taliban and the creation of a medieval society in Afghanistan .
Moderate Muslims must reject the urgent desire by extremist groups to create a strict Islamic empire as a justification for terrorism. Moderate Muslims must also reject the desire to help the Palestinians as a justification for terrorism. Muslims must reject the use of terrorism under any circumstances and challenge the terrorists’ propaganda machines head on.
Kamal Nawash, President
Free Muslim Coalition Against Terrorism
www.freemuslims.org
president@freemuslims.org
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gapcohen
on November 27, 2009 at 10:03 AM
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Re: Re: I believe that amongst many moderates there is silent agreement
But history repeatedly shows that the moderates accommodate the radical and enable them by their silence. In short, they acquiesce to the violent deeds brought on by the radical element. That's the way I must look at this mess. joab
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joab3
on November 27, 2009 at 9:41 AM
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Re: Does it make sense to Speak of Radical Muslims as Islamo-Fascists
Certainly, if history is any account. As far. . . "killing anyone pleases God" . . . Wars have been unable to resolve that question because the answer is unresolvable -- that tenuous, deceptive virtue called "free will" allows all nations to slaughter and maim and defend their own inhumane actions by pointing fingers in all directions. And know what? They will be correct. Sam, they don't care if God dictates it or not, they just wish to be informed that what they are doing is holy and just. Intellectism an common sense doesn't penetrate to deeply into a terrorist's facist mind. It is what it is.
joab
posted by
joab3
on November 27, 2009 at 9:36 AM
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I refuse to believe that killing anyone pleases God! He loves everyone equally and it will never be any different for me! I think that the silence is solidarity, in anything, but more so here because there are those who disagree, but silently as well! A few thoughts and slogans mean very little to me when I have to walk on egg shells around them! I am exasperated with 'political correctness' for it gives the militants the upper hand! I have a problem with people who kill! Also, my property management company is owned by folks of the Muslim faith and I get along famously with them. These are the real people for me, but I fear they are as silent as the majority! The dialogue needs to continue, we cannot be pushed around if we believe differently! I am thankful you are addressing this issue! I am more of mom than
'sane' in this because of my soldier son! Shelly
posted by
sam444
on November 27, 2009 at 7:43 AM
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Re: I believe that amongst many moderates there is silent agreement
Dear Kabu,
In saying that their culture is patriarchal and this is why they remain silent you seem in effect to be tarring them all with the same brush.
It is so easy to remain silent in situations like this. Even in free-thinking societies, how often do we raise our voices when we encounter injustice? Apathy seems to be a common human failing.
By ignoring moderate elements we give them the impression that we think that 'being a Muslim' is the same as 'being a terrorist'. If we do that they will not be motivated to oppose unfortunate elements in their midst.
There are Muslims that say the following:
shouldn't we be making friends with people who say things like that?
Love Elinjo
posted by
elinjo
on November 27, 2009 at 2:58 AM
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A heavy topic.
Another interesting but heavy topic. Keep it up, Naut
posted by
Hackthorne19
on November 26, 2009 at 10:56 PM
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I believe that amongst many moderates there is silent agreement
which is why they won't speak out . They want the best of two worlds.........adn their culture is so patriachial....that holds them silent too.
posted by
Kabu
on November 26, 2009 at 9:17 PM
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