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WhorledPeas
Welcome to Blogit.......I love your name and how you arrived at it's choice.......
I see you've been anointed with a very special visit......as a conservative you'll get accustomed to the comments from some quarters......you've been visited by Blogit's Liberal 2.0....wait til you hear from the older version, Blogit Liberal 1.O. Same program less logic.
Hope you stick around, there's plenty of Conservatives here to chime in with you on most issues......all in all Blogit is a heck of a lot better than political "boards" where flamers love to beat their chests and try and intimidate you out of participating.......
If you have any questions about getting adjusted to the system...posting pics, videos, etc, give a yell........
Again welcome to Blogit and God Bless!
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on January 25, 2009 at 3:07 AM
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ZenMom - I posted on Kooka's blog
You do not sound very open-minded, so it is probably a waste of keystrokes to try and talk to you.
posted by
WhorledPeas
on January 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM
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Re: Betsy and Kooka
Please oh please whorledpeas.........don't cop out here.......give us just a few reasons why you think Bush did a "decent job". Sounds like you just don't want to try.........or maybe once you sit and think about it........it's pretty difficult to defend him (and his administration).
posted by
ZenMom
on January 22, 2009 at 6:18 PM
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Betsy and Kooka
Betsy, do you have a political blog on here? I would be interested in discussing politics with you. So much to debate! Kyoto is one of the things on my mind right now.
Kooka, I would tell you the reasons why I think Bush did a decent job, but it sounds like your mind is made up and nothing can change it. You think Iraq was a mistake, I don't. Don't see us getting much further.
posted by
WhorledPeas
on January 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM
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I don't think Bush is evil incarnate
He was just a really bad president. I was actually defending Bush at the beginning of his run. I was openly giving him the benefit of the doubt and at one point I thought he was doing a good job. The he pushed us into Iraq and it all went downhill from there.
In your defense of Bush you have not given us anything that he did that has left this country in better shape than he found it in. He was giving many chance to do what was best for the country and failed. After 9/11 he could have done so much good if he would have done the right thing and truly dealt with those who had attacked us above all else and made sure the world saw us deal with the real terrorists. But he didn't. Instead he made matters much worse in the middle east and allowed our real enemies to run free, setting a truly bad example. Then he ignores the reality of the failing economy, that has been going downhill for years now, and only recently at the end of his time in office admitting that there is a problem.
I don't care about what party he is with or how many of his ideas disagree with mine. He just did a piss poor job.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM
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You did a really great job on expressing your views. Your first paragraph, I think, states WHY we are Americans, for the very reasons you state. Your second paragraph gives your reasons for not wanting Obama and I am in total respect of that. What you felt and understood from Obama may not be exactly what I felt and understood from Obama. And, that's okay. We just move forward, as the United States, and as Americans, together. My opinion is that Obama will not get it right all the time. Nobody could do that. But I'll be supporting him, as our leader (not blindly, however), just like I did with Bush, even though I was far from happy with the way things were going with him. Thanks for an honest and calm reflection.
posted by
BetsyLewis
on January 21, 2009 at 2:55 PM
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thanks for being civil
While I disagree with three of the comments, I want to thank you for being civil. (and thank you for reading, I will try to return the favor) While I still stand by my original comments, I am at least a little closer to understanding what people see in Obama. I would like for you to be able to understand my position, even if you never agree with it.
I guess the biggest difference between the two sides is the starting point of your opinion on Bush. You seem to think he was evil incarnate and incompetent. Will it tick you off too much if I say that I thought he did a decent job given the circumstances (such as liberals determined to tear him down regardless of his actions because they were mad he "stole" the 2000 election), and I feel that he based his decisions on integrity and principle? You don't have to agree with me, but please realize two people can legitimately see the same situation differently. Before we can discuss Obama, perhaps we need to come to a mutual understanding of Bush.
posted by
WhorledPeas
on January 21, 2009 at 11:54 AM
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Americans are seeking to fill a void
unfortuantly, they are numb and seduced and are thus unfit to prescribe a healthy and discretionary spiritual diet.
posted by
calmcantey75
on January 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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My impression from your post is that you have a limited and rather biased knowledge of President Obama's history, and those of many of his reporters. Sure, there are some who are simply wowed by his charisma, as there were for Ronald Reagan and even George Bush, but among all those supporting Obama that I know, our excitement stems from a much more reasonable approach to information and decision making. By all reports from those who have worked with him, Obama listens to all opinions before making his decisions, and his campaign rhetoric and responses in the debates showed that he had a broad understanding of the issues, something lacking in Bush, and not apparent in John McCain. President Obama is a thoughtful, educated man who will taking a considered approach to governing, as he did to his campaigning. Mainly our excitement comes from the breath of fresh air from knowing that not all decisions will be based on ideology. No more dismissal of science. No more faith-based certainty on political and international matters. We have survived the worst presidency in over a hundred years. That alone is worth some excitement. As for Obama himself, well, he can't possible be worse than Bush, and so, we expect him to be better.
posted by
mousehop
on January 20, 2009 at 4:32 PM
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Obama was the better choice, by far
What I keep find most interesting about the conservatives views on why we should be afraid of Obama is that it all can be said of just about any politicians. McCain had all the same kind of skeletons in his closet that you are after Obama for having. McCain praised a preacher who has openly promoted genocide (Who he quickly distanced himself from once the truth was out there). He had a member of a terrorists organization raising money for him (Although he claimed to not know about it and quickly separated himself from the guy as soon as the news reported it) and a man who was convicted of domestic terrorism as part of his campaign team. Sorry about not having any names for these guys. I did posts on them back before the election and if you really need the names and references I could most likely find them again. Now if you are adventurous and want to look at my post in my political blog you should be able to find those posts.
And of course Palin's husband was a member for radical group that was calling for Alaska to secede from the union.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you are going to judge you politicians on such things, then there is not a single one out there who you should vote for.
Now I will admit that Obama charisma had to have won him a good deal of votes, but not all his votes were from that. I think his charisma paid off because we've not seen that in a presidential candidate for some time now, not since Kennedy really. And it feels good to vote for someone who can inspire you, especially after eight years of a man who did all he could in office to make us feel bad about our country. But still, it is foolish to try and claim most of his votes were from that. That would be like trying to claim Bush only got his votes from fundamentalists, while that was a group that helped him win the election, there were people who voted for him for other reason than religious ones.
But beyond that Obama had actual plans that made us believe there was hope for the future. McCain gave us... Well nothing until he started copying Obama by promising change. Yet it was clear from the get go that McCain didn't want to make any change. He was ready to keep us on the path Bush had started us down, a path that has been destroying America. I would be very afraid if McCain had won with every reason to be.
posted by
kooka_lives
on January 20, 2009 at 4:30 PM
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