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So many religion have made interpretation that floor me! II am learning a great deal Naut! I know I lack severely in understanding and study! Shelly
posted by
sam444
on December 30, 2008 at 12:35 AM
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Naut I also just found this blog and got to tell you I am duly impressed and thankful that someone that has the clear understanding you display here has taken the time and made the effort to post it all in such an intelligent , impartial and easy to understand manner. Thank you!
posted by
Sinome
on December 28, 2008 at 7:51 PM
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I finally got around to follow up on this superbly written and well researched "essay by instalments" if you allow me to call it that. What all these misguided so-called fundamentalists do and think today, is, in my view, no different from the Cruisaders who felt called upon to spread and defend Christianity by the sword. They would no doubt have used bombs if they had had them at the time. In other words: a) history repeats itself and no lessons are learned. b) ignorance is mankind's biggest enemy. Keep going, naut.
posted by
vogue
on December 27, 2008 at 6:02 AM
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naut, let me say this quickly :you are being very brave here. I only have admiration for that. Here in bangalore, the muslim population is a large one, and i daresay, some sections of them can get quite militant. many hindu-muslim riots in the past have made people rather wary of voicing any opinion, specially against muslim and islamist fanaticism. from that situation, i see what you are getting at.
i really hope your series does not serve to instigate but rather bring people around to 1. actually read the text and hence understand why some influential faith leaders succeed in misguiding followers 2. question their doctrines; and 3. make sensible choices in a progressive world.
as every time.
posted by
bythewindowsill
on December 24, 2008 at 5:21 AM
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~peace
posted by
Blue_feathers
on December 22, 2008 at 4:05 AM
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An excellent point you made... where all religions practice their beliefs freely and
"not in the streets with bullets".
posted by
yellowrose55
on December 21, 2008 at 8:40 PM
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The Islamic emphasis on martyrdom...
...makes me wonder what kind of twisted, warped God would delight in such a thing.
There's no avoiding it...warped Gods make warped followers. Or, should I say the reverse is true.
This is a tough topic to write about, Naut, and you're doing an excellent job.
posted by
metalrat
on December 21, 2008 at 5:54 PM
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In defence of the Koran I have to say that there are parts of the Bible
that sicken me with their superficial teaching. I have tried to reach deeper for meaning but it is beyond me. If only we could all follow our better selves. Find the inner core of ourselves and allow peace to fill that void. That is where God dwells. There is no place for hate cruelty or evil in a soul filled with God.
Enjoy your Christmas dear and learned friend.
posted by
Kabu
on December 21, 2008 at 3:16 PM
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For all our collective wisdom & scholarship...
we ( not just Naut, who has been trying his best, but the rest of us "morons" :))need to present in simple terms to the moderate silent majority of muslims, who r just as busy as we r making an honest day's living, facts / information / research / findings that they can understand / relate to, so they too can speak up and join us in spreading peace not terror...I totally understand the difficulty involved, even by well-read scholars like Naut, let alone novices like me...but transformation is never easy...and certainly patient / well-informed / respectful dialogue, especially in today's well-informed world, can be a far more effective means to spread peace / mutual understanding than these costly, ineffective, gruesome wars...and belive me, i'm NOT a dove..but it pains my heart to see so much knowledge wasted due to lack of communication between otherwise perfectly intelligent & knowledgable folks, myself & my concerned friends from many walks of life included...
posted by
ash_pradhan
on December 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM
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mordent.........
As Naut so aptly put it......it can also be the lack of words that presents a problem, that demonstrates a lack of action against the Islamists.......and when it comes to the actions of the "silent majority" in Islam land.........the silence is deafening.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 21, 2008 at 11:32 AM
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Well Corbin you might get your own series going. Well done.
I always treat individual as they treat me. However it is the will of nature for groups to both take for themselves and co-habitate with each other. No matter what any doctrine, religion, or manifesto says. I'm not saying one shouldn't learn about others, but like it or not that rule always follows.
posted by
mordent
on December 21, 2008 at 9:59 AM
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Since we don't live in a Muslim country (where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from logical deconstruction), we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism............ Yes, Muslims can take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology..........but it doesn't change what Islam is. Some of the discussion here seems to be focusing on the individuals, be they muslims we personally know or terrorists we read about...........Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Again, Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, whether they are terrorists or humanitarians. Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented by the Qur'an the Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad).
By the same token, don't draw conclusions about the Muslims in your life based on the true nature of Islam. Like any other group, not all Muslims think alike. This is the core of what you write.........
To paraphrase a "Clintonesque slogan"..........."It's the Words, Dhimmi!"
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 21, 2008 at 9:10 AM
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