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Re: Taps
1AM, there is more here than I can deal with, LOL! Just two comments:
Nobody is entirely sure where physics begins and where it ends...And: Wikipedia ain't the
definitive voice in the Philosophy of Science...
posted by
Nautikos
on November 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM
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Re: Naut
Troosh, science does not think of us as 'well constructed machines'. Science doesn't deny spirituality, it just doesn't deal with it, and there's a big difference. When you say that the gap between science and 'human nature' or 'spirituality is narrowing', it's like saying the gap between your shoe and the way you tie your laces is narrowing. Science is one method for understanding some things, but not the only one...
Too often, people who don't understand science well, expect too much of it on the one hand, and on the other hand charge that it 'misses' things - of course it 'misses' things, especially those it never intended to deal with in the first place...And if some 'new' things come within the purview of science, hey, things change and evolve...
posted by
Nautikos
on November 4, 2008 at 4:59 AM
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No TAPS, it isn't any wonder that 'parallels' exist. It's just that science and the Bible have different ways of understanding them...
posted by
Nautikos
on November 4, 2008 at 4:35 AM
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Shelly, my dear, that is a perfectly good approach...
posted by
Nautikos
on November 4, 2008 at 4:33 AM
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Auslander, the boundaries are fuzzy and porous...
posted by
Nautikos
on November 4, 2008 at 4:31 AM
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Taps
Taps got the synopsis of what I want to say. Troosha was stepping on the "dangerous" yet most likely and mat be is already the trend of the subject matter.
I would respond to your insights and thesis with questions. I believe that if you ask the right question, you've got half of the answer.
Here goes: I cry when I watch the BBc and CNN showing the war in afghanistan because I am emotionally vulnerable because of my hormonal changes because it's my premensatrual cycle and I'm suffering the premenstrual syndrome like most female members of this homo sapien species do and because the homo sapiens species evolved from lower life forms which I used to believe are atoms, but there goes sub- sub atomic particles, which is highly contributory to evolution and evolution can be attributed to universal forces such as energy, mass, force, etc. and their interplay. The question: I cried while watching the war in afghanistan because of the forces in the universe that has a continuous and interphasing interplay. Where does physics begin and where does it end?
What is the motivation behind all this search for causes and effects.
You are right about predicting or rationalizing the acts or characteristics of an individual... it is complicated because there is a lot of subjectivity... but take the statistics on those subjectivities and you've got a pattern... and a pattern is an effect of a cause.... then a passionate scientist couldn't go to sleep until he discovers the dynamics of that pattern....
Man, being a rational being tries to rationalize things... and this is why Science appeal to me... it is suppose to go through a scientific method, a structured system of investigation before it makes conclusion and therefore is highly based on material things-the observable things... and most of us (including me) would believe easier about something we can prove. But even in Science, there are uncertainties, exactly what you have cited... Heisenberg's unavoidable uncertainty or "quantum fluctuations." therefore I do not dream of dissecting the individual, but rather, if we can rationalize a universal, yet delegated as individual phrnomenon such as lonliness or happiness, maybe, just maybe, we can discover the "method to the madness." In fact, in a non-first world country ( by "world" standard, as in Bhutan, they are already using GNH (GROSS NATIONAL HAPPINESS) as a measure of wealth.
It's late here, I'll try to respond again as soon as i can but let me cut and paste something from Wikipedia:
" The fact that physics is delegated all objects besides those covered by biology and chemistry means that it is responsible for the study of a wide range objects and phenomena, from the smallest sub-atomic particles, to the largest galaxies. Included in this are the very most basic objects from which all other things are composed of, and therefore physics is sometimes said to be the "fundamental science".
Generalities aside, physics aims to describe the various phenomena that occur in nature in terms of simpler phenomena: that is, to find the mechanisms for why nature behaves the way it does. Thus, physics aims to both connect the things we see around us to a root cause, and then to try to connect these root causes together in the hope of finding an ultimate reason for why nature is as it is". (emphasis mine)
posted by
1AMIHAN1
on November 3, 2008 at 8:43 AM
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Naut
I’ve done some “catch-up” on this blog and would like to make a contribution. It is my belief that the gap between science and human nature (which from this point forward I choose to refer to as spirituality) is narrowing. Those who study this world so as to scientifically explain nature and those who scientifically examine the human body are opening their minds to the “laws of nature” verses solely the facts. Physicians or specialist no longer scratch their heads when someone doomed to diminished health remarkably recovers. They are embracing the notion that the energy we put out into the universe is returned to us. Exploring the conscious and unconscious mind IS becoming an accepted “science”. Although science may not be able to predict what a single person might do, it is making a slow and gradual shift into to accepting the possibility of measurements beyond the “valid and reliable”. It is aligning itself with the “fact” that we are spiritual beings not simply a well constructed machine of bones, tissue, organs, and systems. It is embracing the possibility that spirituality cannot exist without science and science cannot exist without the power and force of spirituality. Did I make any sense whatsoever??? 
Maybe I should just stick to my poetry....
posted by
Troosha
on November 3, 2008 at 8:07 AM
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Nautikos
My mental state cannot comprehend all of this of which you speak, but I like TAPS comment and I can deal with the dust being me, and me being part of what your writing about and trying to elevate my brain to a higher level. LOL
posted by
WileyJohn
on November 2, 2008 at 5:57 PM
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That's supposed to be "derived" not drived. LOL
posted by
TAPS.
on November 2, 2008 at 1:29 PM
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Since not only the building blocks of the universe, but also our ownselves were drived from pure energy, is it any wonder that parallels exist and are noted between physics and human thoughts and emotions? Some would say, "but the Bible says that man was created from the dust of the earth." Yes, yes. And what is dirt but molecules, atoms, bits of pure energy never still, always moving, always going in circles.
posted by
TAPS.
on November 2, 2008 at 11:14 AM
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This is intriguing! I leave everything to the Lord. I guess I avoid a lot of reasoning! This is wonderful, I always learn and that is very important! Shelly
posted by
sam444
on November 2, 2008 at 10:19 AM
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That is the main reason why I think that most of these "sciences" should be regarded more as Art than "Science".
Lack of objectivity. And thanks for your comment. It seems that the gvnt removed all his guns because he didn't have license for them. Thanks god!
posted by
auslander
on November 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM
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