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Okay I'm afraid I'm a bit lost at this point. I guess I should assume you're questioning the whole post?

posted by mordent on November 5, 2008 at 7:37 PM | link to this | reply

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Um, this did start with Obama. And as you once again illustrated my point, I think I can rest easy with my conclusions. How much of what you assert have you checked? What sources do you use? Why do you miss so many relevant facts? It doesn't take much effort to check the facts I gave in my first post here, but you still don't seem to have done so as you still have the events out of order. And your predictions, which should have been post-mortems, don't come true.

posted by mousehop on November 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM | link to this | reply

Re: mordent, when have you slammed McCain? Cause I've not seen it

Check is a vote for McCain insane/Shadow of the corpse. An old blog but I slam the crap out of both of them.

Also check some recent blogs on American Loudmouth that pertain to either candidate. You will see I have called much doubt into McCain.

I'm sure I have slammed Obama more but as I said it's all a matter of taste.

I actually look forward to Obama getting elected for the shock value as I am an incredibly dramatic person.

posted by mordent on November 4, 2008 at 9:53 AM | link to this | reply

Re: mordent, when have you slammed McCain? Cause I've not seen it

They're all hypocritical. The right usually sticks with their boy as does the left.

Bush is easy to hate but no one seems to pay attention to the Dems that supported him with the Iraq war.

Obama may have voted against it but if he gets us into one somewhere else I guarantee the left will back him and the right will protest.

I told you a long time ago it's all a bunch of crap and this right thing left thing is all a matter of taste. Others take this deathly seriously but for me it's all sport.

posted by mordent on November 4, 2008 at 9:49 AM | link to this | reply

mordent, when have you slammed McCain? Cause I've not seen it

I was unsure about Obama until I started looking at the two candidates. I found NOTHING at all about McCain that I could back. Everything about him told me he would be a dangerous man to allow to have such power and would be one of the most piss poor Presidents in history.

As far as I can figure the only people defending him are the brain washed members of the great cult called the Republican Party. They will fully defend everything their candidates do, even if it is 100% identical as to what they attack the other party's candidate of doing. And considering that more or less every attack the Republicans have made against Obama is something that is equally true of McCain, right there we see just how much that side is about following something blindly because they are told to.

I like Obama because what he says make sense and I believe he is on the right path to fixing our problems. I don't believe he is perfect and I am sure he will make mistakes or do things I dislike. When eh does I can promise I will speak out saying he made a mistake or did something I dislike. You see I am not a hypocritical Republican who is trying to have it both ways. I am an open minded liberal who is not above criticizing someone who I had put my faith in when I see that faith betrayed.

So far Obama has not betrayed my faith however. he ahs shown himself to have much greater integrity that McCain. He has stuck to the real issues instead of acting like the McCain campaign and going for some really pathetic personal character attacks. The campaigning itself has only helped to show me that my initial evaluations of the two candidates was correct.

And I don't have that much faith in the system. This is a system that has allowed Bush do to all that he has done and his cult of followers has praised him for every mistake he has made. The system is flawed, but it is what we have to work with for the time being. I do all I can with-in the system to make things better for the future and for that to happen we need Obama and not McCain, that much is clear to me.

posted by kooka_lives on November 4, 2008 at 8:59 AM | link to this | reply

Re: No Mordent

I have written many posts slaming both candidates. Both have their strong points but I'm extremely difficult to impress and I just don't care for them.

To me they're a couple of talking heads so it doesn't matter to me who gets elected. People forget about congress/senate etc. I don't have the same faith in the system as you do.

Perhaps Obama irritates me a little more because his followers seem to just blindly accept whatever he says or whatever his background. They remind me of cult followers.

posted by mordent on November 3, 2008 at 11:55 AM | link to this | reply

Sorry about posting that twice

Feel free to delete that second one. My computer said 'page load error', so I thought it didn't work and went back and added it a second time.

posted by kooka_lives on November 2, 2008 at 5:34 PM | link to this | reply

No Mordent

I know what I said (which seems to be something you are unable to do, understanding what you yourself say)and I very much understood your last comment, but it has NOTHING at all to do with the comment you were replying to. I mean you did not address a single thing I said, but instead spit out a batch of gibberish that was as off topic as it gets.

If you don't think McCain will make a good President, are you just anti-Obama then? You go off on Obama like mad for all manner of things, while ignoring the truth that McCain ahs ALL the same faults you attack Obama for, just none of the positive aspects that will make Obama a much better leader than McCain could ever hope of being. Show yourself to not be a hypocrite then and if you dislike McCain write a few negative posts about him.

And I love how you wish to claim that I am 'obsessed with politicians'. I am worried about who will be our next President, because that very much will have an impact on my life and the future of this country. We can either have McCain who shows himself to lack in just about every area that matters for a leader, since he has no economic sense, no idea of what is needed on the domestic level and has shown that his idea of foreign policy is to go to war with everyone he can. Or we can have Obama who has a real plan when it comes to economics, seem to grasp what is needed here at home to build up a strong country and believes that we should do all we can to avoid going to war. There is nothing at all useless about expressing my views about the candidates.

And how are you not just as 'obsessed' in this matter? You write your anti-Obama posts here. The big difference is that you are unable to really defend your views and when someone confronts you, you try to get off topic in hopes that no one will notice just how clueless you really are about it all.

posted by kooka_lives on November 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM | link to this | reply

No Mordent

posted by kooka_lives on November 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Mordent... What were you replying to there?

You probably didn't understand your last post to me and that is why you don't understand my last post to you.Ha!

Yeah let me have my haze of unreality. It's the only way I can get thru my day.

By the way, I'll never say McCain would make a good President (sorry um um um the other post I mean. Don't want to confuse you).

Enjoy your useless obsession with politicians.

posted by mordent on November 2, 2008 at 4:56 PM | link to this | reply

Mordent... What were you replying to there?

I mean seriously, that comment had nothing to do with my last comment. Could you just try to stay on subject and deal with the issue we are actually talking about? I know you are a conservative and straight talk is only a term for you to say without understanding the meaning of it, but still you could at least try to actually address even one piece of my comment.

Now I know for you to do such a thing would you would have to have a clue as to what it is we are talking about, but I figure you could at least try to come up with some load of BS like you do in your post.

I also understand that you hate undeniable facts because all they do is prove you wrong, time and time again. And I really don't wish to destroy the fantasy world you live in where your 'facts' (Which you seem to almost be admitting are made up by you) are somehow are relevant and are all you need to prove how right you are in all you say, no matter how ridiculous and idiotic those claims may be.

If you really can't handle reality, let me know and I'll back of and let you live in your self induced haze of conservative thinking.

posted by kooka_lives on November 2, 2008 at 1:02 PM | link to this | reply

Re: Mordent, I said Tina Fey there as a joke

I read all the "facts." the left version of it, the right version of it etc etc.

Still I can't help myself. I have to keep my eyes open and use my own mind.

I suppose if you see a long-haired dude with a pot-leaf sticker and a rage-against the machine sticker and war is not the answer sticker we shouldn't assume he would probably be voting for Obama.

Just like if we see a red-neck with huge pick-up truck and keep guns legal sticker we shouldn't dare assume he's voting for McCain.

Please stick with the "facts" and reading newspapers.

I'll get my media thru your posts and I do appreciate it.

posted by mordent on November 2, 2008 at 11:53 AM | link to this | reply

Mordent, I said Tina Fey there as a joke

Also, Tina Fey is a real person, who is NOT based on Palin at all. She is her own person,who just happens to look a lot like Palin and does one funny impression of her.

Now it did start with Obama. If you read the article, the Obama effigies have been out there much more than the Palin ones. But the liberals are not making that big of a deal about it, although most places the Obama effigies get taken down fairly quickly because there is a very real racial element there since with-in recent history there have been such hangings of people just because they were black. And if it is just 'trendy garbage' and doesn't matter, then why the hell did you write a post about it? You seem to bitch a lot about stuff that 'doesn't matter' once someone shows you how stupid your post was to begin with.

And for the record I have no god at all. Obama is not a god, but the best candidate for president that I have seen in my life time.

And it really tells me all I need to keno about you that you wish to ignore the impact of facts. After all if facts mean nothing to you, if logic and reasoning are things you ignore at every turn, then how does one argue with you? You must always be right then, because there is no way to prove you wrong because actual true information and the real truth about it all is ignored by you and your childish mindset. You can make all the idiotic and poorly conceived comments you want, such as the dumb as it gets claim 'The left is full of self-hating poison' which has NOTHING at all to back it up. No facts, no reasoning, no logic and certainly no truth. But you don't care. You want to cling to these sad little pieces of BS you come up with because it is just obvious that you cannot face reality and would rather live in your shallow imaginary world.

posted by kooka_lives on November 2, 2008 at 10:01 AM | link to this | reply

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As I told the other guy....if this had started with Obama it would've been more of a stink.

You say the left checks the facts more than the right. If I want to play your game I can just say the right says the same about the left. Again whose sources do you trust?

Open your own eyes and think for yourself.

What really provokes my interest is people who truly have their own powers of observation and this is really hard to find from either the left or the right since most today are so media dependent and ill-confident of their own powers.

Check my reply to the other guy (Kooka) and you may have some of your other questions answered.

Or just keep reading as I write more posts and over time you may find more of what you're looking for.

posted by mordent on November 2, 2008 at 9:18 AM | link to this | reply

Re: That was clearly not an effigy of Palin, but of Tina Fey

TIna Fey....who the hell is going to care as Tina Fey is based on Palin anyway. Sounds like they want to evade being taken too seriously.

What the article did show me was what a bunch of trendy idiots human beings are. It doesn't matter and if this started with your God Obama than believe me there would've been more of a stink.

Just like other attention seeking trendy garbage like tattoo's/piercing. Once everyone starts doing it it doesn't matter.

You know what you can't seem to get thru your head...that everyone from newspapers to human beings has their own take on it.

CNN will say one thing FOX says another so on and so forth.

And yes the left is extremely self-hating and mentally ill, composed of soft, weak, homo, and may as well be homo men and women (Do you ever open your eyes and look or just read newspapers).

The left is full of self-hating poison that they wish to politicize on the planet.

Timothy McVeigh got the death penalty while your hero Bill Ayers got a teaching job.

Only a complete reverse brained psychopath would believe the left doesn't control the general media and universities.

You can dig up all the so-called "facts" from your so-called "sources" to try to counter argue and it means nothing as they're human beings with their own agenda.

This world is nothing but human beings digesting the facts thru their own filter.

Liberal logic is reverse. Their brains are on a reverse course destined to provoke implosion thru self-hate.

Obama is just another bull-shitt*ng politician preying on the likes of the naive like you. And the truth is very little will probably change.

Enjoy your delusion and sleep better at night while I will sleep good either way.

posted by mordent on November 2, 2008 at 9:12 AM | link to this | reply

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I would like to insert a small alteration in your observations: the left is more concerned with expressing itself in public, not controlling public opinion. And as I have repeatedly said, of course the free media like the press and Hollywood are densely populated with liberals; freedom of expression and education are liberal ideals. But you'll have to provide some evidence for this "highly deluded reality" the left lives in, because I believe I see the world for what it is, and I find that most liberal commentary on the world uses more facts and reaches more supported conclusions than conservative commentary. For example, in the post that inspired this discussion, you state that someone hanged a Palin effigy, and ask what would happen if someone hanged an Obama effigy. By that time, there were at least three such cases. Before I commented, I checked the facts about both. That's the liberal approach. The righties that commented here seem to have missed a few steps, and jumped straight into commenting. So, which side better represents facts and realistic views? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

posted by mousehop on November 1, 2008 at 5:57 PM | link to this | reply

That was clearly not an effigy of Palin, but of Tina Fey

Now Mordent, what do you think about the various conservatives who have doe the same kid of thing with Obama? Especially the one in Los Angeles where she had a knife going through his neck and I guess it was very bloody?

The article here talks about them.

The rest of your post is a huge load of the dumbest BS I have seen.

The left do not 'hate' more than the right. What are you even using for your guidelines there? Give me some level of logic or reasoning or even facts to back up such a weak and obviously made up claim.

And McCain has just as many, if not more, 'shady' connections, including convicted domestic terrorists.

And once Obama wins this election and the left has the power it needs to get this country running the way it needs to run, then we will all be able to sleep better at night feeling that there is real hope for the future.

posted by kooka_lives on November 1, 2008 at 4:15 PM | link to this | reply

And Governor Palin plays many male roles *** In this way she should practice tolerance

BCA Bill

s Wa

posted by BC-A on November 1, 2008 at 1:19 PM | link to this | reply

I practice tolerance! But it is amazing the division and what is okay for some and a 'big taboo' for others. It sums up this election for me as well. I love your thoughts! sam

posted by sam444 on November 1, 2008 at 11:41 AM | link to this | reply

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Well I just can't keep up with who hangs who these days. Certainly others can get the news quicker than I.

That being said. I would say the left is more obsessed with controling public opinion than the right and this is how they end up in these institutions and Hollywood.

The left lives in a highly deluded reality and so maintaining that is a must for them or they'll crack.

And so naturally they will weed out anyone who isn't of their ilk. The left just wanted it more and their bitchy nature is best suited for evironments where it's all talk (universities).

posted by mordent on November 1, 2008 at 10:48 AM | link to this | reply

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I agree that most colleges and universities have more liberals than conservatives among the faculty, but I consider this natural since education of the general public is a liberal value. My colleagues and I believe in offering the opportunity to gain an education to those who are willing to put in the effort to acquire it. And I certainly feel no need to comment on your level of education.

posted by mousehop on November 1, 2008 at 8:40 AM | link to this | reply

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I did not say hanging an effigy of Palin was okay; I said it was in very poor taste. I also offered a historical reference that explains the difference in the reactions of the press and public. I understand that to you, history seems irrelevant, except when it supports your thesis, but to me history is always relevant because it informs human reaction, at least among those aware of history. Of course, if history is irrelevant, then anything from the past you use to "prove" the Democratic Party (not my party; I'm not a Democrat) is "completely contradictory and worthless" is also irrelevant, right? So there is no such thing as evidence or reason, since everything becomes irrelevant the moment it has passed into history?

posted by mousehop on November 1, 2008 at 8:34 AM | link to this | reply

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Yes I agree that you your kind have taken over higher learning and it is evident that this is a major problem and has been for years! Your kind live in some stupid fantasy world and have no idea of the real world and hell yes I did attend and graduate from college so I warn you not to degrade me in some education level comment that all of you stupid liberals usually do! You produce a bunch of young minds with your kind of pie in ths sky theology which is in no way the real world! trust me I've been there, I know! Pathetic children of hippies educating our children because they want to work just 9 months of the year! Lazy weak people are who choose this profession!

posted by RedStatesMan on October 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM | link to this | reply

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posted by RedStatesMan on October 31, 2008 at 9:24 PM | link to this | reply

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As a song by the Eagles, "Get Over It"! I am more than tired of this liberal drabble from you on issues like these. This is 2008 and you liberals drag up crap that happened many years ago but it is okay to hang an effigy of Palin, and you know it! Your party has bveen proven to be compeltely worthless and contradictory! You are the racists and you are the problem in this nation!

posted by RedStatesMan on October 31, 2008 at 9:18 PM | link to this | reply

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There have been at least three cases of Obama effigies being hung, and arrests only in one case reported. The Secret Service is reportedly investigating the Palin effigy incident. Cases still open.

So it all sounds about equal. All these cases seem to be in poor taste, but not criminal as far as I can see, though general sensitivity toward hanging blacks is greater due to the history of lynchings. After all, some of the anti-lynching activists are still living. Hanging women hasn't been much in vogue as sport for nearly three hundred years. That does explain part of the difference in reactions.

posted by mousehop on October 31, 2008 at 7:04 PM | link to this | reply

There is a double standard

you state some valid points. I wish everyone would grow up and play nicely.

posted by muley12 on October 31, 2008 at 12:02 PM | link to this | reply

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And they got arrested.......but nothing was done over the Palin thingy.......case closed...

BTW as to the centers of higher learning......

e·lit·ism [i-lee-tiz-uhm, ey-lee-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun

1.	practice of or belief in rule by an elite.

2.	consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

posted by Corbin_Dallas on October 31, 2008 at 9:38 AM | link to this | reply

School Marm

If we lefties are so f*&%ing stupid, how did we manage to take over all the centers of higher learning in the country? What does this say about the non-lefties who try to compete with us? Why can't conservatives win in the free market of ideas? Because, working at a college myself, I know something about the diversity of opinions here, and despite what you rant about, I would say a good portion of my colleagues are certainly not leftists or liberals, but that is only an opinion based on direct observation, so it meets the liberal standard of evidence, not the conservative one (whatever that may be). We're just a bunch of stupid elitist intellectuals. What do we know?

BTW, someone did hang an effigy of Obama. BFD.

posted by mousehop on October 31, 2008 at 9:27 AM | link to this | reply

Bill O'Reilly said he's going trick-or-treating at their house

together with Dennis Miller - can't wait to see what happens there!

posted by NewYorker_in_Sicily on October 31, 2008 at 1:46 AM | link to this | reply

the left

is completely and utterly hypnotized by the Deadlights.

posted by calmcantey75 on October 30, 2008 at 11:45 PM | link to this | reply