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Re: Re: Hmmmm. well, to follow up on mousehop's comment
I'm sure everything you say is true. I only know one guy who was adopted by a homosexual though he was molested unfortunately.
posted by
mordent
on October 30, 2008 at 10:38 AM
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Oh absolutely there are a lot of effeminate straight men running around. Metro-sexuality is the whole deal these days.
But still you can usually tell gays.
posted by
mordent
on October 30, 2008 at 10:36 AM
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It is simply a woman trapped inside a mans body and vice-versa. Anyone can detect this just by casual observation. Isn't that a bit stereotypical??? I have a couple of gay friends that are as straight acting as you could be..no way anyone could tell.....assuming all gay men are "sissies"and gay women are "butch dykes" is very inaccurate......there's a heck of a lot of effeminate straight men running....
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Corbin_Dallas
on October 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM
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Re: Hmmmm. well, to follow up on mousehop's comment
Marriage rates among gays are lower than among straights, except perhaps in Massachusetts, but some do take advantage of the right to marry, and that should be good enough. As for monogamy, many gay men and lesbians are monogamous and committed, but if their definition of a marriage relationship is different from the traditional, why should that matter? It's the same for some straight couples. Civil unions in place of marriage is just semantics and seems silly and childish to me, but I'm not gay, so I don't care much.
And just so you know, mordent, gays and lesbians can adopt children in most places, and they do. And there isn't any evidence that their children suffer for it.
posted by
mousehop
on October 29, 2008 at 12:28 PM
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Re: mordent
Oh just give them time and they'll be as messed up as the rest of us. Good point on that they respect it more and you should write a post on this.
But divorce amongst gay men will end up being quite high I do believe. However I also believe most gays don't really want to marry.
Check my reply to spitfire for your question.
posted by
mordent
on October 27, 2008 at 8:52 AM
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Re: K, here's my quick thoughts....
As far as I'm concerned my writing is more about the truth or reality of something rather than a political side. I would rather post a lot of truth's and or possiblity's rather than saying this right or that is wrong. This makes for much more depth you see.
posted by
mordent
on October 27, 2008 at 8:49 AM
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mordent
Like SpitFire I, too, couldn’t decide which way you were going with this post. That aside, I think (and I don’t have the supporting statistics on hand to share with you) there is a lower divorce rate in gay marriages than there is in hetro ones. My point being, when gays decide to take a life partner they have given it considerable thought and take the union quite seriously. That in itself speaks volumes that they are not taking it lightly and if they want to proclaim there love in front of God, friends, family, whomever, who are we to stop them.
posted by
Troosha
on October 27, 2008 at 8:47 AM
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Yes love know's no lines, but children are naive. They don't know what's going on yet. Remember children become adults not the other way around.
posted by
mordent
on October 27, 2008 at 8:44 AM
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no one should be against monogamy period - and personally - i don't want to see anyone's tongue down somebody's throat. you can't control who you are attracted to - otherwise there wouldn't be cheaters and pedophiles. gay people are just who they are and so are heterosexuals. if someone wants to get married and be happy - let them.
posted by
ladychardonnay
on October 27, 2008 at 6:22 AM
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K, here's my quick thoughts....
Your writing is ALL over the road. I can't tell which way you are going with this issue. I will just say that if gays want to marry, fine with me. But, if they aren't allowed to in their state, they need to take the necessary legal steps to protect their significant other. That is totally do-able. But, I have more to say on the issue, but it's late and I have to get to bed. More later!!
posted by
SpitFire70
on October 26, 2008 at 11:42 PM
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Who we go to bed with...how we go to bed and what we do in that bed should be a private issue. If two consenting adults love each other, want to spend their life together and want others to know they are a couple... why would that offend anyone? what does it have to do with others...its between the two of them. Love is so rare, so hard to come by. Who are we to chastize anyone that loves another. Our children know more than we do and they do not judge, they are just curious and they accept differences as part of life. Lets learn from them and accept that others can be different. heterosexual marriages fail much too often... maybe homosexual ones will too, but who cares, is their business not society. Love can not be legislated.
posted by
Sinome
on October 26, 2008 at 9:37 PM
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All growing up in ccommie enviornment did was make me go completely the opposite way.
I have a friend who would leave his two children to his lesbian sister rather than his Catholic sister so there's a lot of this prefer gays over the homophobes thing going around.
posted by
mordent
on October 26, 2008 at 7:40 AM
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Re: mordent
This is an excellent point and you should do a post on this. I did a post on a lack of discipline amongst kids and I blame this on no father as well.
And no matter how functional the gay couple would be it is of course going to be better for a child to grow up in a healthy heterosexual situation.
posted by
mordent
on October 26, 2008 at 7:37 AM
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Re: Hmmmm. well, to follow up on mousehop's comment
I understand about the whole "marriage" bit and yes it's ridiculous.
And I can imagine the cheating amongst a married male couple would be out of control. I don't think most gays want to get married. And it seems against they're whole progressive thing.
posted by
mordent
on October 26, 2008 at 7:33 AM
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mordent
The only really cogent argument against gay 'marriage' I can advance is that it would open the door to the adoption of children by such couples. And while it may still be an advantage for the child to be brought up in a 'functional' same-sex marriage rather than in a dysfunctional hetero marriage, there is overwhelming evidence in psychological studies that in principle a child needs both a male and a female parental role model for its proper development...
Which, by the way, is also demonstrated by the disastrous consequences of the endemic absence of fathers in many strata of our society, leading to very high levels of delinquency especially among male offspring...
posted by
Nautikos
on October 26, 2008 at 7:20 AM
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Hmmmm. well, to follow up on mousehop's comment
I agree with allowing a civil union of sorts for gays, but not "marriage." Truth be told, the concept of marriage generally involves (for most people) a monogamous commitment between two people. The research on gays has repeatedly demonstrated that most gays have trouble staying monogamous. So if two gay people marry, there is the distinct possibility that the marriage (i.e. a monogamous committed relationship) will be made a mockery.
Not to mention the fact that now that gay marriage is legalized in places like the Netherlands, most gay folk don't take advantage of it. They just wanted the option. Now they have it, but don't use it. Go figure.
Having had this discussion before, many folk (including Xenox and Kooka) say the above conclusions are wrong. They KNOW people in a committed relationship. That may be so, but the research has demonstrated otherwise.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on October 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM
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very interesting way to put it
posted by
Samantha39
on October 25, 2008 at 2:41 PM
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this is good
posted by
Xeno-x
on October 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM
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Well, I have to say I think you got most of this right. But the answer to your question seems obvious; why do gays want to marry? It 's not about trying act straight. It's partly about equal treatment. But mostly it's about control of their destinies. My gay brother said it like this: If he were hospitalized and unable to communicate, our homophobic father would control his health care and who could visit him, and he doesn't want that. Now, of course, he could make out a Power of Attorney for Health Care, but unless he carries it with him everywhere, it won't be honored. His companion would have no legal rights.
Compare that to me. I also wouldn't want my father making decisions about who visited me in the hospital, or what care I received. But my wife is my legal next-of-kin, and after her, my children. The legal assumptions changed the day I got married. Why can't my brother have the same benefits? Not to mention the tax advantages, and other legalities.
As for the schools in this country, I admit they could use improvement. But it seems to me this society you see as dominated by what you call "cultural communism" produced you. Is that such a bad thing?
posted by
mousehop
on October 25, 2008 at 11:25 AM
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