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well said, and straight forward great post.
posted by
muley12
on October 19, 2008 at 11:58 AM
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Pantheism is quite interesting...
and often misunderstood as the worship of natural objects. Many scientists have been "accused" of pantheism as if they are lost, but at least their God/field of primary interest is living and all around all the time. I think many Christians in particular learn to reject the real world because they are taught that "the world" spoken of by sages point to the natural world when they were actually referring to the social, political and religious world and popular opinion they experienced in their particular society. In my opinion anybody that is motivated by love for humanity and what is real, just and true is a sage. These people usually get strong opposition from those who rule by virtue of deceit and emotional manipulation. That is why they get killed in most legends. Such people are still not popular amongst religious leaders of many current traditions. Tank
you again for not outrightly rejecting me voicing my opinion because I defend religion and believers to some extent. I've kind of become accustomed to that and mistakenly expected the same reaction here. Have a nice weekend.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on October 18, 2008 at 1:51 AM
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Re: a little more
Thank you again - perhaps over the weekend we can discuss your insights further. Pantheism is quite interesting...
posted by
Transcendental_Child
on October 17, 2008 at 2:55 AM
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a little more
I should ad here that as far as I'm concerned reality is much more than what it gets defined as by current scientific notions about it but does include our current views and knowledge. Fifty years, or any sufficient period of time, from now you will see that much of what is taken as highly probable today will have been replaced by another paradigm and other theories. This is why I call myself panentheist and realist. I do not side with either everything is good or bad or neutral. Life Itself is not confined to our views.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on October 16, 2008 at 12:00 PM
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U2
have many points I agree with, except that I'd say we are born non-theists since nobody who hasn't thought about theism calls themselves atheists nor anything else for that matter. I do however fully understand why you say we are born atheists. I can also not accept that the people the Bible was written by and about were "better" than anybody else in any ultimate sense or were "chosen" by some being and that the rest were al evil. Anybody who threatened their superiority was called evil, since evil is not much more than a word we use to indicate that which we perceive to be a threat. These same chosen people were viewed as the evil ones by those they massacred. Since I personally, and there are very view people who agree with me on this, view the God of Moses and Yeshua and Krishna and a whole host of other people of legend as Reality Itself, I accept that exactly what has been has been the will of Reality. With this I do not say that what is Real is only what is written in these specific books but that Reality is what the authors worshipped in contrast to worshipping idols or ghosts and other imaginary gods and in those times war and conquest did bring the "chosen" much fortune compared to those they exterminated and drove off. This does not imply that this has to keep on happening. If some other nation or group were to now exterminate these specific people, that will be the real situation and therefor the will of my God/Reality/Cold Fact. This approach seems silly and perhaps even stupid to many on both sides of the theist/atheist divide, but I can live with that. Where I disagree with those who call themselves atheists is that I do not think believers need to stop believing. Their belief just needs to come back to what it started off as, facing and dealing with real life without reference to imagined gods.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on October 16, 2008 at 11:50 AM
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