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                    Re: I hope you aren't saying that there are and will be perfect people?
                
                perfection will be reached after the body is glorified, and then throughout eternity. But no, perfection is not needed to obtain grace and salavation of Jesus Christ. That allows entrance.  
                
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                    calmcantey75
                     on October 15, 2008 at 5:07 PM
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                    Re: I hope you aren't saying that there are and will be perfect people?
                
                perfection will be reached after the body is glorified, and then throughout eternity. But no, perfection is not needed to obtain grace and salavation of Jesus Christ. That allows entrance.  
                
                    posted by
                    calmcantey75
                     on October 15, 2008 at 5:07 PM
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                    I hope you aren't saying that there are and will be perfect people?
                
                That people who will enter the Heaven you speak of, where imperfection isn't allowed the way I read it?  
Because then you are negating the foundation of Christianity from the beginning, as noted in the Nicene Creed and adhered to by all Christians (except maybe you?) -- that Christ died for our sins -- like the sacrificial lamb on Passover -- His blood cleansed us of our sins.
  "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
  "Just as I am"  each of us comes.
  Oh yes, would you define "perfection" a bit more clearly so that we can understand.
    
                
                    posted by
                    Xeno-x
                     on October 9, 2008 at 5:56 AM
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                    Re: "Maybe He should have designed smarter people"
                
                Excellent argument in my favor.  I didn't want Obama as the Democratic candidate.  but then I didn't want McCain as the Republican candidate either.  Smarter people could have roduced a better match-up.  
                
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                    mousehop
                     on October 7, 2008 at 8:49 AM
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                    "Maybe He should have designed smarter people"
                
                then how would Obama ever get elected?  
                
                    posted by
                    calmcantey75
                     on October 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM
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                    Fear and Trembling
                
                The purpose of the concept of Hell is to scare people into obedience.  An actual intelligent God shouldn't need such a primitive tool.  He could just tell people the truth about existence.  Maybe He should have designed smarter people.  
                
                    posted by
                    mousehop
                     on October 6, 2008 at 12:43 PM
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                I am from Michigan and you are right! LMAO too! sam  
                
                    posted by
                    sam444
                     on October 6, 2008 at 5:29 AM
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