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posted by
calmcantey75
on September 29, 2008 at 11:58 PM
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Okay again I will say this makes more sense to me.
What I can say is that before the mid-eighties when the cultural communist format became mandatory, movies mirrored the hard realities much more.
For example "Cruising" is about a serial killer in the pre-AIDS S&M scene in New York. It's absolutely brilliant. The gays hated this movie because they didn't like how that scene was depicted. The movie itself even gave a disclaimer at the begining saying this was not an idictment of all homosexuals. What it was saying was that not all gays are into S&M and so forth. It didn't matter, all the oversenitives in the world ignored this excellent story because they deemed it offensive.
That was my whole point on this.
That movie would never be made today because the gay community would go ballistic. The film showed hard raw truth but it was not an anti-homosexual propaganda movie. And that is my point again. Today if certain groups are not shown in some wonderful positive light, they jump and down and scream racism, sexism and so forth. I always go for the raw truth and if someone has a problem with that then they need to look inside themselves for the questions.
Your assessment of liberal media is quite accurate. However one has to wonder if Hollywood has an agenda or if because they no longer make movies like cruising that people who create such great work are not allowed in the industry. In the end it becomes one and the same. In other words it is absolutely an agenda. Simply because they create the "trend" as you say for what is cool and what is not. THey tell the public what's good for them and the public having little choice ends up going along and slowly but surely gets brainwashed.
posted by
mordent
on September 21, 2008 at 8:14 PM
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I don't consider myself a 'social cop'. I'm actually an outspoken libertarian. I spend a lot more time reading than watching movies, and I tend to critique every film I see, to the annoyance of my wife and daughter. I'm not a bit concerned about whether I am effeminate. I wrote that because you seemed so concerned about the effects of Hollywood brainwashing on my manhood. I think the only thing Hollywood has changed in my thinking is that it has convinced me that big budgets don't make better movies.
I'm not concerned about offending minorities or majorities or loudmouths, and I prefer good writing and good story telling to either positive portrayal of either or realism. Realism has its merits, but most people are boring or annoying, so skewing away from reality can add entertainment value. I agree with you that Saving Private Ryan and Brokeback Mountain were over-rated. So was Titanic, The English Patient, and Braveheart. (I admit a bias here; I prefer movies based on historical events to be historical.)
But fundamentally, I disagree with what I infer from your continued rants; that Hollywood acts as a unit with a specific agenda. Hollywood follows societal trends. Sure, it tires to lead public views, usually unsuccessfully, and it tends toward the liberal view of things by its very nature. Freedom of expression is a liberal value. Throughout history, artists of all kinds have tended to be liberal, just as the media have, for the simple reason that they are liberal institutions. Colleges and universities are hotbeds of liberal thought for the same reason. Conservatives would just go around repeating what the government tells them to repeat. Even in attacking liberals through the medium of a free forum like this, you are acting liberal. But Hollywood is no more uniform in voice than any other medium of expression. Your lists of good and bad prove that.
As for my being out of touch with reality, I've been told that for years. I've raised teenagers. And how often do you think a fact check favored them over me?
posted by
mousehop
on September 21, 2008 at 8:36 AM
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I repeat you're a trained social-cop. Trained to look for racism, sexisim and all that other lovely stuff. You don't recieve the whole picture, like other social cops you ignore certain parts and simply focus on others. "Sanford and Son" and "Good Times" are black shows which I like. The Coen Brothers are Jewish as I noted but not obsessed with being Jewish (read the post). They have two films I like. I like "Cruising" which is a gay film, however I do not like Broke-Back Mountain because this is gay manipulation. You don't seem to understand the difference between a human film and a piece of aggression/manipulation that is brought on by self-hate and targeted towards the general public which they seem to feel owes them something. Try to learn the difference once and for all.
As for being bigoted the whole damn world is bigoted and I highly doubt that you are inviting Michael Savage or Rush Limbaugh to your next barbeque. No Muslims are talking of Christ during their worship as no Christian is talking of Muhamed in their church. It's all a matter of taste you see. Bigotry is an issue of default and cannot be helped in a sense.
It is Hollywood and it's cultural communist mentality that is most bigoted and that is what my post is attacking. You have simply bought into it completely. Non-caucasians are your sacred cows just like Hollywood. You will not criticize them no matter what they do. Your mentality is one that if a black person attacks a white person that's a crime but if it's the other way around it's a hate crime. You may actually exhonerate the black simply because of the past as this is the leftist way.
It doesn't matter how unrealistic and obviously bigoted Hollywood is towards people who don't think like them you simply accept it and think it's cool. Like Hollywood you're worried about offending non-caucasians and whatever it takes to make them look good is what you're about no matter how far from reality it is.
So as I said...for being called all those juvenile names like racist, sexist and so on in todays politically-correct climate I take that as an extreme compliment because all of you social-cops are not truly connected to what you're talking about. You're simply trained to knee-jerk when someone points out aggression from those particular groups.
Another thing is you have no idea that I might actually be gay, black and Jewish and just compleatly clowning the whole bunch of you. But your social training doesn't allow you to think in those terms.
Getting back to the effeminate thing why would you even bring up that up if you were in self-doubt? Just to put me on a hook? I don't know about that...Is Mousehop another hook?
Since you like hooks I fall for another of yours and tell you to see "Cruising" since you seem to be so non-homophobic. Ignore the low-budget and some of the poor acting. I am absolutely dying to know what you think. Do get back to me and I hope to hear you disagree with me again.
posted by
mordent
on September 20, 2008 at 12:44 PM
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I wasn't calling you names, I was simply interpreting and summarizing your statements. Obviously, you don't care, or perhaps you are trying to spread your gospel, whatever it may be. It is kind of funny to see someone ragging hysterically on second-rate Hollywood productions, as if they represented some benchmark of modern culture.
I'd hardly call the 70's a high point in Hollywood history, but if what you meant to attack were the forces of Political Correctness then we have some common ground. But Hollywood isn't the most important battleground for that particular war. I have no desire to stop your offensive rants; you have the right to express your juvenile opinions just as I have.
There have been some decent movies made since the 70's, but then you admitted already you haven't seen those. Your loss.
I'm not a bit concerned about whether I am effeminate, and of course, I worded my comment to give that impression. Nice to know I succeeded. I feel that you are norrow-minded and bigotted, not merely racist and sexist, but specifically anti-semitic, and clearly homophobic, but to each his own. My black, Jewish, gay, female relatives and I forgive you. But we won't be using your reviews as a guide to which movies to see.
posted by
mousehop
on September 20, 2008 at 9:20 AM
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Thanks again and good luck on tweeking those leftists on election matters.
posted by
mordent
on September 19, 2008 at 6:42 PM
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I think you.......
seek to tweek.....mission accomplished! Like Ariala, I might not agree with everything you write........but writing....writing very well, is what you have done......
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on September 19, 2008 at 5:42 PM
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You're obviously a facist
posted by
mordent
on September 19, 2008 at 5:25 PM
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Calling me all those wonderful names is like firing bullets at a vampire. Not to mention juvenile. You're a brainwashed cultural communist and are obviously fine with being manipulated. The modern Hollywood suits your personality.
I haven't seen those movies/writers you've mentioned. I like foreign films particulary Russian and Asian and American movies from the 70's and before. Before cultural communism determined the criteria for the arts.
When you say "make me , like, effeminate" that actually sounds effeminate to me. I think you may feel that you're effeminate. Another words I believe your own conscience is talking here.
posted by
mordent
on September 19, 2008 at 5:25 PM
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Why don't you just bring Hollywood a plate of poisoned cookies and
be done with it?
It must be an unhappy thing to live your life as you are so focused on the negative. Me, I fake happiness and optimism and goodness until it becomes me and fills my days. A much better daily experience, I assure you.
I hope that you don't find a large audience here and that after you have fun getting the community stirred up with your naughty, naughty, naughty beliefs, that you just pack up your subscripton and move on to a more compatible group.
Maybe somewhere in Argentina.
posted by
benzinha
on September 18, 2008 at 10:42 PM
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Okay, so you're racist, sexist, and homophobic. We hear that. On the other hand, have you seen any of the Jane Austen adaptations? Or Pixar movies? Story telling exists, but you do have to look for it. On the other hand, being opposed to war in general has not decreased my lust for women. Or woman. I am rather besotted with one particular specimen. That doesn't make me, like, effeminate, does it? That would totally twist my knickers.
posted by
mousehop
on September 18, 2008 at 7:35 PM
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Well I'm not sure exactly where you stopped, but maybe you should've read on. You may have found a lot of this to match your own perceptions. On the other hand maybe not.
Still you should never let offensive material turn you off. You see I am in-offendable. I love reading stuff I don't agree with because I find it challenging. But that's me.
posted by
mordent
on September 17, 2008 at 4:02 PM
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I don't watch it much either.
posted by
mordent
on September 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM
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Thanks for your insight. I do appreciate it.
posted by
mordent
on September 17, 2008 at 3:56 PM
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I may not agree with everything you write, but you're very good at it and
should submit this somewhere (besides Blogit) and get it published...strong opinions here and lots of hard work.
posted by
Ariala
on September 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM
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i am so happy i threw my tv away
it's been ten years and i haven't looked back nor do i care to...tv is a self inflicted lobotomy device...and hollywood, what a joke....all of pop culture...the little good it may provide is not worth the exchange
posted by
mysteria
on September 17, 2008 at 1:03 PM
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I had to stop at paragraph 3.
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on September 17, 2008 at 11:56 AM
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