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Re: Jane
Naut, you've got that right.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 25, 2008 at 7:33 PM
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Janes, are you talking about G.W. Bush there?
President Bush has made the claims that he has talked to God, that he is doing God's work and that it is the will of God that he took us into war with Iraq. Is fairly sure that is about as messianic as it gets without a claim of a miracle. Although Bush still has time in office, so you never know what he might claim next. And then of course who knows what claims he'll make after he leaves office.
As for Obama's quotes you are talking about, it was very clear to me that he was being figurative in those speeches. and it is fairly accurate. if he is actually able to repair the damage Bush has done, we will most likely feel as if the waters have risen and that we have been healed.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 25, 2008 at 6:24 PM
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Jane
Aside from the gafffes themselves, I find it interesting how differently they're treated by the media. Have Bush say something stupid, and there's endless cackling, tsk tsk-ing and feigned outrage. With Obama, nary a word...
posted by
Nautikos
on August 25, 2008 at 4:31 AM
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Waaaal, Kooka, I might concede that point to you.
All the candidates at some point or another have stuck feet in mouth and swallowed both up to the ankle whole.
That said . . . Obama and camp pride themselves on Obama being a great orator and coming out with huge claims of near messianic proportion. Goes over the top if you ask me. Although Bush and McCain have both made dreadful gaffs, neither have perported to have quite such near messianic claims. I mean, really, it's one thing to make a slew of campaign promises. They all do that. It's a whole nother thing to claim the oceans will rise, people healed, etc. Please.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 24, 2008 at 12:21 PM
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Janes
If McCain is who you're going with that is fine. The point is that if you look at slip up in speeches and such, then Bush and McCain are no better than Obama. Any time someone goes and sues such quotes it just shows they are not looking at the big picture. Obama has said nothing worse than what Bush or McCain have said. The article you linked to in the post is are weak argument that could be reflected upon ANY person running for office because they ALL make such slip ups and what they say easily can be taken wrong
And just to clarify the 'Mac or PC' quote just shows that McCain is clueless if he says his wife takes care of that for him. He should at least have some idea of what a "Mac or PC' is referring to. To not understand that shows a great lapses in understating in general. And with our present level of computer usage and dependency, do we really want a person leading this country who is that clueless about computers in general?
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 23, 2008 at 7:03 PM
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Re: That was just a weak article.
Uhhh, Kooka? We've hashed through McCain's comments about calling his wife a c&nt. If it's correct, I'm w/ you on that. Not at all appropriate. Nor do I respect his temper.
And I do agree that a timeline is far less important than casualties. Let's get the job done w/ the fewest casualties. Rushing it won't necessarily be a good thing.
Yes stupid comment regarding economics. That's why I'm hoping for a running mate such as Gov Romney.
Who gives a rip about Mac or PC? You're making a molehill into a mountain. What matters is the sound underlying principles. And with that in mind I am in complete agreement w/ mousehop. McCain wasn't my first choice and as mousehop observed, Obama wasn't his first choice, but you make do w/ what you've got. And for me that will be McCain.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM
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Sam, I'm sorry you're having migraines. It must be all the politicking!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM
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That was just a weak article.
Several points in that have already been shown to be over done as it is. But the real truth is that anyone could write the same style article about Bush or McCain and show just as many and just as valid of examples.
So let's look at a few quotes from McCain to show just how 'with it' he is.
"That's not too important. What's important is the casualties." --on when U.S. troops will return from Iraq, "Today," NBC, June 11, 2008
Getting the soldiers home is not as important as having casualties? Or is he saying it is more important to worry about the casualties than the living soldiers? Well if we could get them home, then we wouldn't have any more causalities.
"I am a illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance I can get." -after being asked whether us uses a Mac or a PC.
Yeah, I want a man this far removed from modern times to be in charge of the country. I mean to not get such a question, says a lot about his understanding of our modern society.
"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should. I've got Greenspan's book."
"It's not social issues I care about."
Yeah, that is what we need in a president. At least he admits he has no worthy skill for the position.
And man, does he have a mouth on him
"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt." -to his wife, Cindy, after she playfully twirled his hair and said "You're getting a little thin up there," as reported in the book The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter
"No, I'm calling you a f*cking jerk." --to fellow Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley, when Grassley asked "Are you calling me stupid?"
"Only an a**hole would put together a budget like this ... I wouldn't call you an a**hole unless you really were an a**hole." --to Budget Committee Chairman and fellow Republican Sen. Pete Domenici, during a Senate budget hearing.
I found these quotes
here. Are we done with such childish games? Are we ready too start looking at the big picture? And now that Obama ahs announced his running mate being Joe Biden, I think we will be seeing Obama gain back a lot of his numbers.
posted by
kooka_lives
on August 23, 2008 at 10:30 AM
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Re: Re: Amusing, but trivial
Hmmm. McCain, straight talk? And, um, lack of gaffes, too, right? Now where is that border between Iraq and Pakistan? And which is Al Quaeda, Shiite or Sunni? I've seen McCain's ads, and straight talk is not deliberate misrepresentation of your opponent's position.
I am not a big fan of Obama. I didn't vote for him in the primary, and I don't know if I'll vote at all in the general election, but I do admit he's a smart guy as well as a smooth talker, and between him and McCain, his pronouncements on foreign policy are better thought out and more accurate. Sad, but true.
Now Biden I kind of like. Too bad they won't switch places.
posted by
mousehop
on August 23, 2008 at 9:48 AM
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I haven't forgotten you! I have had a time with my migraines and am in a medication change right now! I am sorry! We will get something written though! sam
posted by
sam444
on August 23, 2008 at 7:56 AM
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Wow!
Gee do you think he is not all what he is cracked up to be??? I state this everyday, you can see them coming a mile away. I was born with this knowledge, thank you God!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on August 22, 2008 at 8:06 PM
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Re: JanesO.....
Ha ha, Corbin -- and you saw how he's an expert in foreign policies because HE has an undergraduate degree in international what? relations? So therefore, he's an expert!!!!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 22, 2008 at 5:44 PM
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Re: Amusing, but trivial
Mousehop, I did vote for Bush, thanks very much. I'll be the first to say I've had a number of disappointments w/ his administration . . . Bush is not eloquent by any stretch of the imagination. But what I've come to realize is that Obama can spin a lot of flowery words . . . and later I'm not even sure HE knows what he's saying!! Eloquent? Perhaps but smart? No. Give me straight talk w/ John McCain!
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 22, 2008 at 5:43 PM
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Re: Janes Opinion
Ha ha, Justi, you are so right!! Without the aid of the teleprompter, he comes out w/ stuttering and rambling verbiage even he doesn't seem to quite recognize.
posted by
JanesOpinion
on August 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM
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Janes Opinion
One thing I take issue with, Smooth talker? He stammers around like a big bottom feeder mud catfish. Just gulping and sucking up and spitting out garbledy gook in my opinion. Good read. Good to see you on here. Be blessed.
posted by
Justi
on August 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM
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Amusing, but trivial
I don't suppose, then, that you voted for Bush, did you?
posted by
mousehop
on August 22, 2008 at 10:40 AM
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JanesO.....
I loved this example....what an airhead......
a lack of knowledge on important issues as was the case when he commented on the war in Afghanistan and the lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” As Malkin pointed out, the real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan is because Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish, while Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on August 22, 2008 at 7:25 AM
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