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Re: FineYoungSinger - a great marketing tool is exactly what it is
Sounds like Mary Kay.
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FineYoungSinger
on August 4, 2008 at 8:21 AM
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cantey_1975 - Re: Gome
I'm at the cottage this weekend (long weekend in Canada) where computer access time is limited but will touch base with you on it when I get back in a couple of days.
posted by
gomedome
on August 3, 2008 at 3:27 PM
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Gome
thanks, Id would like your help in fixing up a template, thanks.
posted by
calmcantey75
on August 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
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Re: From my own experience and all I've read, it seems to me there have
Pat_B - you've hit on a very important aspect to keeping the idea of a NWO alive and well in the minds of some people.
"I think we all at times feel like outsiders, . . . "
Not only is this truth the fundamantal foundation of such notions but to a great extent it is also the practical reason why people are able to believe such things. They are outsiders in a sense, living their entire lives outside of the world's circles of power and for the most part never having any real idea how things work on the inside. I have yet to meet a corporate executive or high ranking politician or wealthy industrialist that was focused on anything but their own agendas. . . . love the story about the lamp, too funny.
posted by
gomedome
on August 2, 2008 at 8:56 AM
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Re: Explosive writing. I do have thoughts on the subject.
Kabu - I address your points in this post when I say that the conspiracy theorists focus on a few irrefutable truths. It is true that a small number of influencial people pull the strings when their numbers are viewed in comparison to word population but I beg to differ when it is implied that this is anything new. Governments, the wealthy, large corporations, organizations and religious groups have always conspired to advance their own self interest but to think that all of these divergent ambitions can become cohesive, again points to the big question in how? How for example would a small group influence to any significant degree, the economies of say Canada, Venezuela, Israel, Brazil and China to pick 5. It can't even be done by controlling oil because 2 of those nations are net oil exporters. Then when we add more countries we begin to see any number of divergent political and religious philosophies. As anything but an intriguing sounding "theory" the NWO has no chance of ever existing.
posted by
gomedome
on August 2, 2008 at 8:49 AM
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From my own experience and all I've read, it seems to me there have
always been "illuminati" -- people who know things that mere mortals can't grasp. We're either not wise enough or special enough to be members of that exclusive group. I think we all at times feel like outsiders, that we're just stumbling along in a ditch looking at the passing parade through a forest of ankles. The term "chosen people" has been around awhile. It ticks me off, because these so-called illuminati are con artists who play on folks who want to be in the inner circle, telling lies and cheating them. Poor cousin Lila, paid $79 in love offerings for a plastic Jesus night light to keep the devil out of her dreams.
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Pat_B
on August 2, 2008 at 7:42 AM
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posted by
Xeno-x
on August 2, 2008 at 6:10 AM
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Explosive writing. I do have thoughts on the subject.
Manipulation of the masses by a few powerful individuals is already happening. It's all to do with the old old problem of power through money.
Great writers can write great essays and books expounding one theory or another. Use big words to confuse and awe the little people. It's a simple as faith. Money = power and the worlds economy is being taken over by a few clever and quiet.
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Kabu
on August 2, 2008 at 6:08 AM
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Luz_Briar - Re: NWO - ridiculous is the key word when discussing this
A good article on how this conspiracy theory mythology has developed in recent years can be found: HERE . . . but the idea is much older than its recent development into a semi-coherent fabricated anxiety. Similar notions can be traced back to biblical times with a number of passages in the bible supposedly supporting it as a prophecy. It is because of the latter that the bible loonies become proactive in promoting it as something that could actually happen.
Every use of the term "New World Order" no matter the context it is used in, is in their paranoid minds just one more example of the validity of this idea. The bottom line as far as its probability of coming to fruition being zero, is that it completely ignores the reality of how the world is structured politically today. It also typically ignores the constants found in human behavior.
Typically someone who believes this stuff has gathered their information from the most ludicrous of sources. From fiction novels, to movies, to the earlier mentioned Protocols of Zion, which is thought to be a forgery. In any event, these people expect that somehow an idea like this is inter-generational and cite drivel from sometimes as long ago as 200 years. As if there are people in this world secretly carrying on a conspiracy from that long ago. It just goes to show that you can fool some of the people all of the time and a select few amongst them, are happy to demonstrate for everyone else just how gullible they are.
posted by
gomedome
on August 1, 2008 at 11:40 PM
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NWO
it's a theory i've never heard of until now, believe it or not! i shall read more about this fascinating, albeit ridiculous, belief!
posted by
Luz_Briar
on August 1, 2008 at 9:23 PM
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Soul_Builder101 - when are you going to come to the realization that you
are beyond your depth when you show up here?
Is that the extent of your argument? A 105 year old document that is generally accepted as being a forgery? Is that really it? You can't be that stupid . . .
posted by
gomedome
on August 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM
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You actually believe what you write! Sheesh! Check the Protocols of Zion, you NUT!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on August 1, 2008 at 3:59 PM
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FineYoungSinger - a great marketing tool is exactly what it is
Successful because it is shrouded in enough intrigue and mystery, while appealing to everything the conspiracy theorist and the gullible thrive on. It's just another take on the age old parnoia of the mysterious and never fully definable "them" pulling all the strings, adopted so readily in part by some people due to an ever increasing sense of helplessness.
posted by
gomedome
on August 1, 2008 at 12:59 PM
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cantey_1975 - Re: like the new graphics
If you ever want to install a template again, let me know. I have several collecting dust that can only be used by those like yourself on the old format. Thye are much imporved from earlier versions
posted by
gomedome
on August 1, 2008 at 12:53 PM
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Re: Re: The real illuminati:
The importance of the site that I present here is not as evidence of a "secret organization". What's important, as a reader delves into the site more fully, is the information contained therein regarding liberty and individuality, which hopefully de-villifies the term "Illuminati". Additionally, as you further read, you'll find links to articles both inside and outside the site exploring illuminati and all it's incarnations, including the Wikipedia article describing a fictional Illuminati by Marvel Comics.
As for the secrecy factor---what a great marketing tool.
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on August 1, 2008 at 11:31 AM
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like the new graphics
hilarious, and accurate.
posted by
calmcantey75
on August 1, 2008 at 11:21 AM
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Re: The real illuminati:
FineYoungSinger - there are a number of groups like that. Many incorporating the word illuminati but all with a number of divergent goals and interests but more importantly none have significant levels of social influence. That fact in itself should demonstrate how implausible a NWO orchestrated by the illuminati actually is, they can't even get it together amongst themselves for Pete's sake.
You will also notice that at the link you provided, they reference the Bavarian Illuminati but refer to themselves by a different name. The Bavarian Illuminati is thought to only have survived for 20 years or thereabouts. These people that are so intent on telling us all about "secret societies" remind me of a scene from one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Jack Sparrow is in prison with some knucklehead who is going on in great detail about "The Black Pearl" and how the last time it appeared, it completely devastated some pirate island enclave leaving no survivors. His response was: "If there were no survivors, how do you know what happened?"
I pose much the same question to those who want to tell us all about secret societies. It isn't much of a secret society if everyone knows about it but a better question is how do they know about it? . . . the answer is always ludicrous, at least in terms of someone being so certain that they are speaking of facts and not fiction.
posted by
gomedome
on August 1, 2008 at 10:53 AM
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The real illuminati:
http://illuminati-order.com/index.html
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on August 1, 2008 at 10:30 AM
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Too many people get their information from fiction.
There was a book written by Dan Brown before The DaVinci Code (which is fiction, by the way) titled Angels and Demons (also fiction), whose villians were members of the "infamous" Illuminati. Its no coincidence that the Illuminati you describe here operates very much like the Illuminati in this novel.
The bleating is almost deafening, isn't it?
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on August 1, 2008 at 10:25 AM
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