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Hi. I just saw your calling card. I must admit that I didn't ever check
those. I'll have to do that more often from now on. I'm pretty busy right now. Gotta run!
posted by
WindTapper
on July 30, 2008 at 12:13 PM
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Yeah, I have seen people like this and they are definitely apart from others. In their own world so to speak!!! Great thoughts.
I wanted to share one more thing I just posted today if you want to read before I sign off of blogit.
posted by
majesticvisions
on June 16, 2008 at 12:24 PM
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Some points about method
1. 600 poems may seem like a lot until you realize this has to do with 18 poets. This is fewer than 34 poems per poet. For comparison sake, we were not fair-valuing foreign securities for which we did not have close to two years of price data, about 500 data points per security.
2. No causal mechanism is proposed. Again, to compare, each factor used in the "fair value" regression was a financial metric of proven value to investors.
3. Mention is made of poems collected from different stages of a poet's career, but there is no analysis of factors which grew in magnitude until a death by suicide.
4. There are several assumptions about the permanence and diagnosis of a suicidal condition: How do we know that the other poets were non-suicidal? Maybe they had multiple, unsuccessful suicide attempts. How do we know that being suicidal is not curable by natural means? How do we know that the poets who committed suicide were suicidal earlier in their career? All of these make a temporal analysis, as suggested in (3), critically important.
Carl Peter
posted by
cpklapper
on June 16, 2008 at 12:17 PM
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That
kinda makes sense, but we don't need a new label, 'suicidal poetry', do we? We don't until after the fact, so....
posted by
KaBooM62
on June 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM
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Re: I agree to an extent with Mari...
Please, are you able to provide a link to this forum? Not only would I be interested (as one who struggles with darkness constantly), but I also have a friend who organizes a fund-raiser every year to contribute to a teen suicide prevention program. I'm sure he would be very interested in this forum.
Thanks! CM
posted by
CharlieMine
on June 11, 2008 at 8:08 AM
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Good study design
Retrospective case study with a large number of subjects and a control group.... I think it's worth considering, if you have a loved one who writes poetry. Better to err on the side of caution when a life is at stake.
As for feelings of detachment, focus on 'self', and needing to connect...Anyone who's read my journal blog would guess that I'm closer to the suicidal than non-suicidal group of poets. I was recently told by a psychologist that I feel isolated and hate it, while my spouse feels isolated and enjoys it. I suffer from clinical depression, my spouse does not. Do I focus on self? Yes, in the sense that I am trying to define what it is that I need to fix...But I have also been told (by various people, including my psych doc) that I care too much for others, and not enough for myself. So it is not accurate to assume that 'self-focused' is synonymous with 'narcissistic' or 'selfish'. Often the focus on self is critical, not arrogant or loving. The need to connect is vital for changing negative self-focus to positive self-regard.
posted by
CharlieMine
on June 11, 2008 at 8:05 AM
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"...can be discerned through text analysis." ???
If it were only that simple!!
They didn't say what the margin of error is.
And that is critical in determining whether such on-the-spot psychoanalysis warrants intervention in someones life, based on some quack theory of clueless academics.
posted by
metalrat
on June 10, 2008 at 3:54 PM
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I agree to an extent with Mari...
I spent a year writing on the suicide forum in the circle of friends following a loved ones' attempts at suicide. I do agree, those contemplating suicide are disconnected and self-absorbed (because of being disconnected), but the treatment involves delving deeper into the self to uncover the lies programmed within their minds causing their disconnection in the first place. They are encouraged to write their deepest self-perspectives (poetic or otherwise) and to share (connect) with others doing so. Although the forum was occupied by thousands, each felt alone. The objective of the forum was first to connect like minds while writing healthy perspectives of light along side their darkness. I would encourage anyone with a healthy perspective of light to volunteer their writing on the forum.
posted by
_CherylAnn
on June 10, 2008 at 8:16 AM
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Great! I'll have to see if my husband the psychologist has heard of this
study.
posted by
WindTapper
on June 9, 2008 at 4:37 PM
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A very interesting write. I don't feel that any one person can tell if any other person will or will not committ suicied on such standards. From my
to your
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posted by
cmhnord
on June 9, 2008 at 1:25 PM
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Did someone say BALONEY! What they are saying is that suicide is therefore predictable according to their variables. Why should poets not focus on self or anything under the sun without being stereotyped? The self is my field of specialty....should I be especially watchful? Great topic! Great revelation!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on June 9, 2008 at 7:23 AM
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Hmm...... borderline ridiculous I think!
Sorry my dear but I cannot seriously consider such findings; does this mean anyone who searches self and higher knowledge of self would be considered suicidal?? And why would anyone wish to study poetry with this in mind? Take care
posted by
mariaki
on June 9, 2008 at 4:24 AM
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Great information..Thank you!
posted by
Wigopa_
on June 8, 2008 at 11:29 PM
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I'll be back when I have time to read. I'm deleting those link posts and I
didn't want to delete the fact that I owed you a click back, lol....
posted by
WindTapper
on June 7, 2008 at 8:05 PM
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posted by
Soul_Builder101
on June 7, 2008 at 3:03 PM
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What an interesting study! sam
posted by
sam444
on June 7, 2008 at 1:11 PM
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If i could stop laughing.....I agree with BC-A
I'm being accused of being suicidal by people who told me personally they want me to die. I do not want my life to end. I study people in my own way and know that statisics are usually accucrate and much needed for prevention. But people have different personalities that make them exceptions or motivate them you could say. Mexican food will probally kill me before my heart disease or my cancer. Great write and read!
Solitar
posted by
mothernature
on June 7, 2008 at 10:01 AM
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The study ...
informs us of fantastic compilations and statistics. You find and choose your blog material well. Thank you for this fascinating read. The behavioral sciences point the finger too broadly. Indeed an actual suicide provides the most accurate test results. A poet that a behavioral scientist confronts about her/his scientific interpretation of their words might become depress enough to validate his/her theory. In this way both the study and the poems fall under our fright to freedom of speech. As examples, a British songwriter's Unwritten sung by Natasha Bedingfield speaks of doing things yourself. In Jewel's latest single Stronger Woman she loves herself. Both songs show egotism. Yet they live to tell. Both sing beautiful and happy songs as well. In the early 60s rockabilly/country singer Bob Luman sang Let's Think About Livin' then died from hot Mexican food. It damaged his stomach. Thus live and let die 
posted by
BC-A
on June 7, 2008 at 7:24 AM
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Fascinating!
And reasonable. A plausable form of "poetry therapy".
posted by
gapcohen
on June 7, 2008 at 7:13 AM
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That is a great post
sounds quite interesting and I am intrigued!
posted by
Norwood
on June 7, 2008 at 6:35 AM
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This is an excellent report --- I have a step-daughter whom is a Psychologist and her husband, a Forensic Psychiatrist ~ the study is amazing. And I would imagine you were - are a good 'editor' ~
~ Elyse
posted by
elysianfields
on June 7, 2008 at 6:22 AM
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...this does not surprise me at all...i think this is 100% correct...as an aside and as a digression...my daughter is a tech writer...she has her masters in tech writing and is working on a phd in tech writing...she teaches tech writing at a university...until she enlighened me, i didn't even know that such a thing existed...she is a character...one should hear the repartee that occurs between the two of us...lololololol...moon 
posted by
magic_moon
on June 7, 2008 at 5:41 AM
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