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I say that true intentions has been discovered.
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on June 9, 2008 at 8:11 AM
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There are probably more Christians ouit to get you than any other faction.
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 9, 2008 at 7:57 AM
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odd here -- you personfify atheists as many personify muslims
that all are out to get you.
sorry about that chief.
relax in your own exclusive and reclusive world. it is safe.
posted by
Xeno-x
on June 9, 2008 at 7:56 AM
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GEPRUITT
Even religiously speaking, you body gets eaten by worms. Not sure what your point of that is. After death the body itself is really meaningless. I don't care in the least what happens to my body after I die.
As for the point of life, if you have lived a good life and made sure you have done all you can with it, then it was not pointless. All that matters is what we do with our lives, since that is all we get.
Life becomes pointless if we believe in such nonsense as an afterlife or that we are nothing more than pets or pawns in this world. I believe that life has meaning to it, so what we do has to matter because this is all we get.
And if God is going to win before the game begin because he already knows all the moves that will be made, then that is cheating. There really is no other way to look at such thing. Why even play the game then? It is rather cruel and meaningless. You really are painting God as a very disturbed being that has some serious issues he might want to sit down with a good psychiatrist and get some help for.
But that just is how I see things.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 8, 2008 at 7:47 PM
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Re: AardigeAfrikaner, is it a good thing to be a pawn?
By "It makes our lives and existence pointless," do you mean the same kind of "pointless" that the Christian is made to feel when he is told that when he dies, that's it; his body is buried in the ground, and the worms eat his flesh? Is that the same kind of "pointless?"
. . . I assure you that any war against the True God, THE MASTER GENERAL, is lost before it ever begins! Not because He cheats but because He knows His advesaries all too well, and He uses this knowledge to accomplish His Goals. His enemies are serving Him. All will someday stand before Him, if He so desires it. No one can stop that.
posted by
GEPRUITT
on June 8, 2008 at 7:37 PM
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AardigeAfrikaner, is it a good thing to be a pawn?
I have seen some demeaning ideas come from believers in the past, such as us being God's pets and that being a great thing to be. Your concept that we are just Gods pawns is just as demeaning. It also makes our lives and existence pointless.
Although I have to ask 'Who is God playing against?
If it is the Devil and we are to believe that God is more powerful than the Devil, then that makes no sense and the game is fixed, so that would make God a cheat. In fact the whole concept as presented by you here is really silly. Not only does it make life meaningless, it also either makes God a cheat or makes the claim that there are beings out there as powerful as God.
One thing just about all the atheists I know understand is that there are many ideas of God out there and we just have not found any that make sense in the least. Clearly the version you follow is would never work for me. I am not fighting against any desire here. I just am unable to believe in God because all the concepts of God make less and less sense the more I look at them.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 8, 2008 at 1:50 PM
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I find very few questions work with a 'simple yes or no' answer
I was not trying to evade the questions at all, since they are rather silly and pointless questions. It would be like asking all Christians if they like pie just because one Christian told you he/she liked pie. That was the point I was trying to get across to you. O'Hiar's desires and my desire are not going to be the same and you can take neither what I say nor what O'Hair said and use that as some kind of guideline for atheists.
But since you seem to believe your questions have importance, I will go ahead and answer them for myself, although I will not use a 'simple yes or no'. Also, please make note that my answers do not reflect the answers of any other atheist out there and should not be viewed as answers for atheists in general.
"Do YOU 'love a good fight,'"
It depends on the fight and what you consider a 'good fight'. I guess you could say I enjoy healthy debate and standing up for my beliefs. I enjoy going against those who I feel are doing harm and creating problems. I do not enjoy having to do this nor do I enjoy dealing with people who refuse to try to understand the bigger picture. I also do not enjoy 'fighting' just to be fighting.
"Do YOU think that 'fighting God and his spokesmen is the ultimate?'"
Well... The fight for freedom against religious tyranny is a very worthy fight. I have a strong problem with the wording of this one because it is rather silly. The idea of what I see such a fight representing is one I think is up there as a high level fight that should always be fought. To say it is with 'God and his spokesmen' is not the way I would say it nor would I say it was the 'ultimate' fight.
I am very much interested in what you think you will be able to do with my answers,since they seemed to be very important to you. I am foreseeing some twisting of my words to try and prove a point that has nothing to back it up.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 8, 2008 at 1:36 PM
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Re: Re: christians VS atheists
Yes, much more! I encourage all Christians to read and ponder your high-lighted, "Who vs who."
posted by
GEPRUITT
on June 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM
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Re: Amusing Atheists
Once again, Aardi, you are right on target! I don't this in a sentimental, "mushy mush," manner, but out of admiration and respect, don't you just "love" this Guy, GOD!!!!?
posted by
GEPRUITT
on June 8, 2008 at 12:50 PM
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Re: One atheist does not speak for all atheists
SOUNDS "nice" and reasonable enough, but you have evaded my question. Let me reword it. Do YOU "love a good fight, and do YOU think that "fighting God and his spokesmen is the ultimate?"
A simple "yes" or "no" would be, honestly, all to be expected.
posted by
GEPRUITT
on June 8, 2008 at 12:37 PM
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One atheist does not speak for all atheists
Just as no single Christian speaks for all Christians. Some Christians love a good fight and believe that burn down clinics and killing doctors is a great way to display their beliefs. Yet I would never allow myself such a level of ignorance to use the speech of one of those Christians as my example for all Christians.
In fact O'Hair really didn't speak for atheists in general. You seem to be under the misguided notion that atheist are organized. Just because she started an atheist group (Which is why she was president and CEO of it) does not mean she had anything to do with other atheists. Her influence was actually limited. She did help get our country on the right track, but really did little else for eh atheists movement. Like many other's who have used religious ideas to make money, she was mostly interested in attention for the sake of attention and in order to make money off of others that had similar beliefs to her.
posted by
kooka_lives
on June 8, 2008 at 10:57 AM
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Re: christians VS atheists
There is more to it than that:
Who vs who?
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on June 8, 2008 at 12:05 AM
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Amusing Atheists
If she is a true Atheist she is not declaring war against God (since her chosen self-label declares non-belief and you cannot fight something you do not believe exists) but against the mental construct of God that she assumes believers have when they talk about God. In other words she does not want people to have the idea and mental images she has when she encounters the word, God. This is something I find amusing about many atheists. They believe that those who declare belief in God is simply clinging to the same idea and other mental constructs that they themselves encounter in their own minds and which they rightly judge as being nothing more that the products of their own imaginations. In a way they are making mental war on idol worshippers, which is good and in accordance with the Real God's command of not making an image of God, even though they do not admit to this since they have not encountered the Reality pointed to by the word God in this context in their own lives. They are useful tools in the war on ignorance. That they do not realize this is vital to them playing the role they do. If they realized that, and came over to, the point of view that embraces the use of the word God to point to reality as directly experienced, they would no longer fight the imagined God/s as fiercely as they do. The One and Only God that I do and can believe in is playing the Game of Life from various angles and is better at it than most humans can ever hope to understand, since they are willingly or knowingly or not, the pawns on the board of Life.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on June 7, 2008 at 11:19 PM
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They want war! The 3rd world war is meant to pit christians VS atheists....it is all being stage-managed!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on June 7, 2008 at 3:34 PM
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I think we should pray for them! sam
posted by
sam444
on June 6, 2008 at 4:59 PM
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