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Re: Very enlightening post and dialogue
Thanks and good thought on all that. Please read my racial police blog for some more comments on women/feminism and I will be sure to read a blog from you.
posted by
mordent
on June 8, 2008 at 6:38 PM
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Very enlightening post and dialogue
"To study the history of man is to study the history of war"
It is a natural phenomenon it seems, this waring
And I believe it will be a component of man's existence until the day he realizes that women count too
So much unrest in the world boils down to the mistreatment of women
posted by
mysteria
on June 8, 2008 at 10:09 AM
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Re: Re: Re: War is "OK"
Well there again everything you say is right on target. No one does anything good for somebody else unless there's something in it for them. It is general world perception that it is the US and Israel versus the Muslims and the rest of the world. The US and Israel are perceived as bullys and the Muslims/rest of the world as underdogs.
I understand you're seeking some sort of justice or evolution. To me I believe it is all theatre. A natural phenomonon. I believe in the food-chain as that is what the world shows me. This battle between the MiddleEast and the West has been coming on for some time. It comes to a point where it has to happen.
Personally I wish we would not bother with Israel or the Arabs but I'm not a war-mongering politician. Obviously American politicians feel the chips are with Israel. This is no accident now is it. Also the Christian Right is intent on making their biblical prophesy come true not to mention Jewish money and influence. So there you have it. The American Empire and it's Israeli ally against the Muslims/underdog sympathizers. It's all come to this the way the past has all come to itself.
I'm not a cause person and my future writings will be aimed provoking thought as opposed to a cause. It's funny how Europeans or non-Americans in general seem to have so much insight. Americans tend to make a blunt point and that's it.
posted by
mordent
on June 4, 2008 at 10:40 PM
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Re: Re: War is "OK"
What bothers me is the full force of the US effort in the middle east while similar conditions are found elsewhere and these areas seem less important. To my mind the continuous middle eastern intervention is driven more by strategists for Israeli and American dominance, in the ideological and economic fields, than by a will to help people in distress. I understand that we as humans have been playing this game of ideological dominance through the use of violence, propaganda, economic pressure etc since the dawn of recorded history. One tends to see your own countries efforts as the expression of goodwill and similar efforts by countries with different dominant ideologies as the enemy and from some perspectives this holds true. I myself am not free from history and we as Afrikaners have had our share of resistance to our will to be a people who want to be free to live the lives we choose. Some of us have also used the traditional tools (war, propaganda, torture etc) to try to attain this goal. Personally I want to see all of this change to something better and more inclusive of everybody who lives on the planet. For instance, I am not convinced that those who now occupy the former Palestine have any right to be there. Even if the tribe of Judah and the rest of Jacobs descendants are viewed as "chosen" I am still not convinced that those there now are the actual true representatives of Judah. We each have a history that is handed down to our next generation and this does not always happen in the open (available to all) and does not
necessarily agree with the "official" versions of history. In fact, a primary tool in the fight for dominance is misinformation and deceit. Recorded history is not free from this influence. When a people of a particular tribal descent and religious tradition are continuously persecuted for centuries on end, the "official" version of events is more likely to be the propaganda of those who do the persecution than what was and is actually the case. I'm getting on a different band wagon here, so I'll leave it at that for now. Your post certainly stimulated my thinking on the subject.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on June 4, 2008 at 2:46 PM
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Re: War is "OK"
This is an excellent response. I personally would much rather have a pull up the draw-bridge policy than a go to war policy but that again is not the political reality. And one should ask themselves is it better or more moral to turn people away than to go to their lands and stomp around. Terrorists can only hurt you from within your own borders but again our government continues to let people in. However terrorisim on US soil is down since 911 but one can't prove that this is because of the Iraq war.
I simply think it's natural for the strongest country on earth to police the planet. If the US were non-existent Britain would probably step in.
You never know the next President could stick us in your neck of the woods (Africa I assume if you're an Afrikaner) and tell us that we need to save somebody down there from those tyrants. Right or wrong will be debated forever and so will war.
Perhaps we will fall as maybe all empires do fall and maybe there is nothing that can be done to prevent it. Once you put on that costume you become that character.
posted by
mordent
on June 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM
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Re: Mordent,
I'm not sure I or anyone can have a signifigant opinion about the Iraq war because we're never going to be told everything. I was giving a blow by blow reality with my post and that's about it. I was trying to get people to realize most US Presidents seem to start wars and maybe that is the natural calling of the most powerful nation on earth. Whether this is right or wrong is irrelevant as it's a simple fact.
I believe we're killing more insurgents than innocents and the simple question remains would the Iraqi's be better off under Saddam or with us rearranging everything? Unfortunately death comes both ways but which one is longer term.
Being against war is understandable but it is also utopian. Be against war and now what...
Of course I'm not happy about the economy but I think it's all the status seekers that didn't understand adjustable rates that hurt as much as the war. From Bush/corporations to the American public it sounds like everyone wants more they can chew.
posted by
mordent
on June 4, 2008 at 9:48 AM
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Mordent,
I am not sure of the intent with this post, but you glossed over the reality of war! It is ok to be dead unless death finds you! That is the first point actually when the reason or cause does not matter. Hate Bush? How about just hate the crimes against humanity he has paid American soldiers to commit? Have you looked ate the economy lately? If not for this genocide in Iraq it would really be bad?
posted by
Glennb
on June 4, 2008 at 8:53 AM
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It actually revolves around the 2000 election.......
and the failure to understand the US Constitution....the left has been so used to legislating through the Federal courts that they were sure it would be just another act of revision.....but the Supreme Court chose to understand how our electoral process works....it's the electors, not the popular vote.
If they don't like the system go through the process and change it....the founding fathers were brilliant in their knowing not to allow the emotional state of the electorate determine things.
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on June 4, 2008 at 7:06 AM
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War is "OK"
I'm getting a fairly "easy go lucky" impression about war and politics in this article. I hope this was not your intention. The impression I get is this: Thousands of foreign civilians are dead and more have lost loved ones, but that's OK because it is the nature of war and there is a chance that they may have died at the hands of their own coutrymen anyway. Many Presidents wage war at some stage and lie from time to time, but that is OK because that is the nature of politics. Sit back and let the powermongers play their silly games regardless of the price paid by foreign countries' civilians and your own soldiers. They do not matter as long as you can use the excuse that you are saving someone from "probable" bad things that "may have" happened to them under their own leaders who treated some of their own countries' people badly like gassing, torturing and killing them. If you accidentally kill some of these who may have had a bad life if you did not intervene or kill or torture some of the foreigners who do not support your own political ideals and do the same to some of your own citizens who look suspect, that is all OK. Spend billions of dollars on waging war on other peoples soil instead of upgrading your own internal security and policing to prevent the general downwards trend in morale and combat the increase in crime. If this attitude is representative of a large part of the USAs' populations' attitude, I wish you good luck and farewell, your empire will fall sooner than you think.
posted by
AardigeAfrikaner
on June 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM
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I can't understand why the people remain obsessed with the body politic
posted by
Kayzzaman
on June 3, 2008 at 11:03 PM
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