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- Go to TO NOT WORSHIP ANYTHING, IS NOT THE SAME AS WORSHIPING NOTHING
depends on what worship is
as in a god -- setting up a religious discipline in honor of the god -- then not seeing the logic in such is an act of not worshiping.
But if you hold all with which you come in contact sacred . . . but then again that is not worshiping either. That is merely highly respecting all.
posted by
Xeno-x
on May 26, 2008 at 8:36 AM
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So much on this section of bloggit is concerned with the writer making a definitive case for his/her particular way of approaching (or not coming close to approaching - as in your case) religious practice. As I've said on my own blogs and comments - my own spiritual/religious beliefs are very personal and I would never deign to impose them on someone else. I went to services at an Orthodox synagogue today (for bar/bat mitzvah) and many in attendance were not Jewish. The Rabbi, to his credit, mentioned that he's involved with interfaith alliances and feels that the best path is to "carve out a space" for Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc. so that each can practice his own way without violence or disdain from the other. He could have said "atheists," too, because that is also a way of thinking that merits respect.
posted by
gapcohen
on May 24, 2008 at 5:06 PM
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Re: Bulls#!t
Thanks for another outstanding example of "RELIGIOUS BULLS#!T!" I really enjoyed it!
posted by
GEPRUITT
on May 24, 2008 at 10:28 AM
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kooka_lives and Oddy - you're both kidding right?
Now to Oddy:
The failing point of the argument is the word "worship". Is there a more primitive notion than the idea that human beings must worship something? Worship is more often detrimental to humans than it is good for them. (Proof in the pudding being the 11 pious pinheads responsible for 911). Then there is the addition of another notion that those who do not visibly worship something are lesser people. Where do they teach nonsense like that? Then you point your foregone and preconceived conclusions directly at God to come up with yet another laugher; those who do not worship God are lesser people. Then if your little crayon and dot connecting exercise hasn't failed you bad enough in forming anything that resembles a reasonable argument, you go into obsessive mode to prove your point. But sadly, it isn't a point, it's a poorly disguised prejudice.
To work backwords from other uses of the word worship hardly validates the point either. When people use a phrase such as "He worships his race car" . . . as an example, the use of the word worship is as an exaggeration, it has developed a second meaning in common English vernacular. So your choice becomes to stick to the traditional meaning of the word "worship", as in synonymous with "diety worship", or have your argument crumble further.
To Kooka
I will let persons that are attempting to leave the past behind, leave it behind if they so choose. For me the jury is still out but I do know that I won't be rehashing the same old lame arguments. Someone of present company needs to work at establishing the first ounce of credibility we have ever witnessed from that source.
posted by
gomedome
on May 23, 2008 at 9:21 PM
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Oddy, you never were very good with seeing your own analogies.
I really almost agree with you here (Not fully though), but for all the reason that prove my point and only serve to show how flawed your ideas are.
I will show you how it all rally works now. Yes, everyone has to consume to survive. Just as everyone has to have values of some kind to get by in life. But not everyone has to smoke and in fact smoking is a negative consuming, that only serves to hurt one. Well, I will very openly make the analogy of smoking = worshipping is this if consuming = values. While we all need values, there is a negative addiction that comes with the need to worship, and it has been proven too many times to be a very destructive and hurtful addiction. In fact it is really easy to compare worship to smoking in this way. Both are habits that many people are so blindly addicted to that it makes them difficult to be around (I personally avoid people who do both of these things as much as possible when they are actively doing these things since both smoking and worship make my physically sick) and both are actions that in truth are unhealthy.
You still just refuse to understand that to put value in things and hold them as guides for one's life is NOT the same as worshiping those things. And please do not try to play your word games now, since we both know that the word 'Worship' is never viewed by the one meaning you keep trying to claim for it, but by it's more common meanings, all of which deal with religious ideas an such.
Also, love that you have already deleted all of your blogs this times around. It did not take you long to feel the need to hide your words this go at it. Luckily, I did copy some of what you said and saved them with the date and everything so I know when and what you said, so you won't be able to dance around the facts just because you erased your words here. I'll be making sure to do that more often with what you write in your own posts and comment sections so that you can delete all you want, but the evidence will not have vanished as you desire it to.
posted by
kooka_lives
on May 23, 2008 at 4:23 PM
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Kooka -
It is true that I believe everyone worships something, even if they say otherwise. This is because something is generally at the forefront of ones consciousness at all times. People generally do not cease to think or cease to pursue goals and desires.
To take your simplistic analogy about smoking the proper distance, please understand that just because someone doesn’t smoke, does not mean that they do not put anything into their mouth. People will consume something and if it’s not smoke then it may be hamburgers, vegetables, or whatever. But if they didn’t consume anything at all they would be dead, just as a brain that does not contemplate anything at all is effectively dead of thought. Hence, there must be something in ones contemplation and that which is revered most in the contemplation is what we worship, what we revere, and what is truly our God.
The worthiness of moral values are self-evident and hence they deserve to be uplifted and accentuated in our world. They are self-evidently worthy of being purposefully maintained in the forefront of our consciousness.
posted by
Oddy
on May 23, 2008 at 1:15 PM
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