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Re: Re: From Barack Obama's Own Mouth:
This was only an excerpt of a much, much longer speech where he goes on to explain why both his party and his opposing party have completely missed the boat. The reason Obama has gained such popularity in America is because he's not spouting out the same old rhetoric that both parties have been pushing for years. He appeals to the sensibilities of the moderate voter.
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FineYoungSinger
on May 15, 2008 at 1:55 PM
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Re: From Barack Obama's Own Mouth:
Those are some pretty scary words, especially:
" . . . . substantially more people in America believe in angels than they do in evolution." Fortunately, a great deal of what any politician says while running for office can be dismissed as pandering to voter sensibilities. In this case, I feel the democratic party must say things like this as they attempt to win over the evangelical vote traditionally held by the Republicans. Still, I have to agree with your assessment, there will probably not be any noticeable change other than in terms of administration policy.
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gomedome
on May 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM
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From Barack Obama's Own Mouth:
http://www.barackobama.com/2006/06/28/call_to_renewal_keynote_address.php
in this speech, he actually discusses the religious beliefs of the American people: "we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in people's lives -- in the lives of the American people -- and I think it's time that we join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy.
And if we're going to do that then we first need to understand that Americans are a religious people. 90 percent of us believe in God, 70 percent affiliate themselves with an organized religion, 38 percent call themselves committed Christians, and substantially more people in America believe in angels than they do in evolution."
Additionally, exit polls over the last 3 presidential elections show little to no change in the religious beliefs of Americans.
So, my guess is that there will be no change.
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FineYoungSinger
on May 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM
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Re: Gomedome - "I will say no more."
I can appreciate your position. . . . and thanks for including MOM'S APPLE PIE for me!
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GEPRUITT
on May 14, 2008 at 9:30 PM
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GEPRUITT - you forgot to mention Mom's apple pie . . . or should that be
MOM'S APPLE PIE?
To suggest that a long evolving religious social trend will continue regardless of which political party is in power is a reasonable answer. The rest of your comment however is off the scale . . . I will say no more.
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gomedome
on May 14, 2008 at 9:04 PM
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Re: It is quite clear to me that Barack recognizes the things...
Oddy - I'll give you credit for that answer as it is very well articulated. I can add that in the eyes of the world community, Barack Obama being elected president would improve the perception of the USA dramatically. Though you don't answer the question being posed directly, the promotion of an environment of modern tolerance etc. implies the propagation and eventual widespread acceptance of an equitable social contract. I don't know if unification is the right word, in that only time will tell but a broadly based depolarization of partisan and special interest groups seems entirely possible.
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gomedome
on May 14, 2008 at 8:51 PM
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It is quite clear to me that Barack recognizes the things...
...that constitute the core of virtually all religions, once the man-made facades of mythology, ritualism, and dogma are removed; and these are the desires for basic goodness, for hope, for a better life, for peace, well-being, prosperity, virtue, and happiness. These are the things that all people want for themselves and these are the things that should truly constitute our motivations and focus. Too long, American politics has focused upon the opposite of these things: upon war, upon the ritualistic ideologies of a few, upon capitalistic greed, upon a saddling of the working class with a tax burden while the government operates in support of an esoteric aristocracy. Barack has succeeded in connecting with that portion of the masses (especially via the internet and e-mail) that is educated enough to understand this. However, a considerable segment of the less educated working people remain deluded by the propaganda of the traditional political machine, which seeks to use its usual bigotry to paint Barack as a terrorist or an irrational racist, neither of which has any basis in fact.
I believe that, if elected, Barack will promote an environment of modern tolerance that emphasizes the broader principals of righteousness in a manner conducive to the unification of denominations, political parties, races, and such other contrasts as have divided our nation for far too long.
posted by
Oddy
on May 14, 2008 at 8:07 PM
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QUESTIONS
"So the question is this; If Senator Barack Obama becomes the next president of the Untied States do you see this trend continuing?
Another question may be; What is likely to change with a democratric administration pertaining to religion in the USA?"
Question #1 & # 2:
Yes, this trend will continue, no matter who or of which party our President is.
American Christianity (New Testament Christianity) is American History and our country's heritage. Our minds and memories are filled with its good values and teachings, these values will remain always with us.
Our holidays are not holidays! Mother's Day is MOTHER'S Day, and FATHER'S Day is FATHER'S Day. They are intended to "honor our mothers and fathers." Likewise, Christmas is Christmas; we say "Merry Christmas," not "Happy Holidays." We tresure our heritage, and we will continue it. Americans are Christians, and we will remain so.
I think this should answer both your questions.
posted by
GEPRUITT
on May 14, 2008 at 6:31 PM
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