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FreemanW,
First of all, believe it or not, to date, I still don't even know if Michael Vick is black or white (I don't follow football) but I don't give a shit. That just leads into a whole 'nuther issue...not the topic here. (Ya know, O.J. and the current election.) And I did watch your video...what did that prove? MORE MY POINT about how sweet Pits are! Dude, I don't have anything against you personally, and BTW, I watched another one of your YouTube videos of you performing your music. Thumbs up to that. But, I gotta say, your issue against Pitbull dogs? Ain't flyin' with me. You haven't presented your case and the stuff you did present is beyond weak weak weak, dude. Give 'em a break. It's not their fault. And don't tell me that people are different than dogs. FOUNDATION, UPBRINGING, DNA, AND SURVIVAL ALL play a HUGE part in who and what a SOUL is in this world. DOGS have less of an advantage at
all of those combined. Think about that and remember that they are snagged from their parent(s) between 6 to 8 weeks of age and raised by heartless demonic humans....
HOW DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE IF THIS HAPPENED TO YOU???
posted by
SpitFire70
on February 6, 2008 at 10:44 PM
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my bad...here is the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx1l8du5INE
posted by
FreeManWalking
on February 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
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And if you want to see a dog check out Maze Dog swimming...a pit bull
actually swam a lot with us this day and kept jumping our canoe when it got tired
posted by
FreeManWalking
on February 5, 2008 at 12:46 PM
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Spitfire and Wendi - you both
make good points and you have good links but I wonder if you watched the video link I attached...I don't know. Just seems this old world is a hard enough place without dogs causing a problem. Yes, a pomeranian could cause a bit of noise and discomfort but it would take a fool to get killed by one. I'm tired of this subject for now but I don't see the problem going away.
And Spitfire I think judging dogs is way way way different than judging people. I know I'll catch an earful for this but people are people and dogs are not. That said, I do hope Michael Vick spends his full sentence in jail for what he did. ANd that brings up another social issue - At the time most black people I talked to (about a dozen, mostly in bars) thought white people overreacted to the Vick incident. Makes a person wonder.
Anyhoo, Wendi, I didn't really buy (or adopt) a puppy but I did have Maze Dog all last week. I just said that because some people assume someone would write about pit bulls without knowing anything about the breeds that make up the generic name...and I saw an Am Staff Terrir on the dog show Sunday morning when I was sitting around hung over. And I did buy an aquarium last night and plan on buying some goldfish tonight.
posted by
FreeManWalking
on February 5, 2008 at 12:40 PM
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Uh, I have no idea what that means.
The Staffordshire is also on the ban list to be destroyed in Denver, and the dogs I just showed you are full pits (one from a breeder, I know the girl it belongs to ... not that I agree with breeders, but that's another thing). They are basically the same dog, but pits are bigger. Many don't know the differences from the two dogs, and the pits are actually bred from staffords ... but both have tendencies to be protective or aggressive if not treated right (as do any dogs!) This is a Stafford ...
...and this is a pit
Now you tell me who looks scary? Pics from the same website on the history of staffords. Bottom line is that your argument doesn't hold water, and saying that because I choose to protect animals over people because I disagree and have facts, or even if I just disagree, is messed UP.
posted by
Temple
on February 5, 2008 at 1:17 AM
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Still hopefully awaiting a response.
Comon', Freeman...pretty please?
posted by
SpitFire70
on February 4, 2008 at 9:50 PM
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Temple - I bought an American Stafforshire Terrir over the weekend...sweet
dog. The Giants rock!
posted by
FreeManWalking
on February 4, 2008 at 9:04 AM
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FYI, I didn't link you to the three or four bite statistics sites I found.
I thought it would be too many links. You say my information is from pit bull lovers, not true. The ASPCA is actually a neutral organization. Yes, they love animals, but they keep neutral and accurate statistics, and they rehab animals for adoption by seeing them (and putting them) in various environments ... including those that would aggravate an aggressive dog. One of my sites was a medical site sponsored by the U.S. Department of Health based on insurance claims of dog bites, as well as the amount they believe go unreported. The Humane Society also has good, and fair, statistics. They can't tweek the numbers, Billy, they are non-profit organizations that receive donations and federal money. I had news sites as well. You got your information from a homeless guy's blog? C'mon now. In Denver they are taking away good, family pit bulls and killing them because they believe what you do.
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posted by
Temple
on February 4, 2008 at 8:49 AM
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It's a ratio thing
I'll rave about it in my blog. You guys be nice, now...dogs are like guns and fishing stories, everyone's got their fasvorites and their prejudices.
posted by
majroj
on February 2, 2008 at 7:01 AM
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Freeman, Your "stats" are beyond B.S.
I have an angel on one shoulder and the devil on my other in regards to responding to this post. However, I shall ignore both and just go with the hole in the middle...my mouth.
My educated mouth and brain, that is. I have been in the veterinary field for over 15 years and NOT ONCE....again NOT ONCE have I ever encountered an aggressive Pit. 98% have been brought in by assholes who were fighting them and we had to patch them up...however, I also called the authorities to have the owners investigated. Sometimes, I refused to give the poor, starved, and abused dogs back. Did I get an argument by the so-called owners? NOPE! Shocking. They didn't want to deal with the arrest charges that followed. Smart thinking on their part.
Let me ask you something. If you were locked up in a small cage, starved, & beaten, but offered food and water for your survival only if you fought other humans and forced to run chained to a tredmill with weights on you, etc. UMMMM....DON'T EVEN TELL ME YOU WOULDN'T COMPLY TO SURVIVE. People have been known to eat other people in order to live.
Now, lets ponder at how some severely abused children are raised from BIRTH. THEY ARE NOW OUT ON THE STEETS as adults. They have MORE sense than an animal. Or do they?????
You have obviously NEVER encountered a Pitbull dog. You have obviously never had the pleasure of owning one. (Neither have I, but I have encountered Pits as patients since I started in the Veterinary field) and I got some news for ya....I know facts. You obviously know nothing. Er, wait, you have facts from a homeless guy. Hmmm................wow. A homeless guy. Good credentials. 
Lastly, if you want to know LEGIT statistics, why don't you take a look at the links that Temple added for ya in her comment. Also, why not take a few personal stats from the veterinary field that I am offering you. Did you know that we (our staff and several collegues from other animal hospitals and clinics) have been bitten and attacked by more Chow Chows, Chihuahuas, Pomeranians, and SEVERAL OTHER dog breeds (including many mixes) AND CATS than Pitbulls?
Did you also ever stop to wonder about this....WOULD AN ATTACK TO A KID BY A FRENCH POODLE REALLY MAKE INTERESTING NEWS?????? Guess what? It happens MORE than you think but you'll NEVER see that on the news. I am not defending any animal that harms a human regardless of breed, but let me enlighten you, my uneducated man, one should always know the WHOLE story before making a judgement. You are no better by judging Pitbulls than the KKK judging black people.
I sure hope you eventually respond to all the comments left regarding this post. And, watch out for your local kitty cats. I've seen them rip the faces off of their own owners in MY OWN waiting room only because they got spooked by miniture poodle entering the door. Maybe we should outlaw kitty cats too? Meow. 
posted by
SpitFire70
on February 1, 2008 at 9:33 PM
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FreeManWalking
I'd rather face down a roasted garlic bulb than a pit bull anytime.
posted by
TAPS.
on February 1, 2008 at 6:42 PM
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I'm also one who has a bit of problem
swallowing the idea of breed eradication. It's very true that too many jack asses and peckerwoods have them for all the wrong reasons. It may very well be true that most of the breed lines are too far gone from inbreeding, etc. But I've known too many, and still know many, who are just fine.
I would far rather see Michael Vick, Joe redneck Dog Fighter, whoever, rot in jail forever than the dog to be put down, although, too often, it is necessary.
posted by
strat
on January 31, 2008 at 8:42 AM
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i've never liked pit bulls
dont think they should all be killed though haha
posted by
MiaElla
on January 31, 2008 at 8:23 AM
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Usual fence straddling: pitbulls versus others
I've worked in an emergency room, ambulances, etc., and as a volunteer and adopter at the local SPCA and county shelter (aka "the 'pound").
Dogs are dogs, and bigger dogs can do more damage, and terriers are more aggressive and canny and get bored easily. Pitbulls are about the second largest terriers (airedales being the largest) but have been bred as attack and defense machines. I'ver seen many, many more attacks needing medical treatment from black labs, and any breed where young children are allowed to approach and blow into the dog's face (resulting in facial bites, and if the situation is uncontrolled, the kid runs and the dog of whatever breed takes them down) but the pitbull (and Staffordshire Terrier) is much scarier. If Jack Russels were that size we'd be shooting them on sight.
Roger, amen, and double ditto that about meth labs and PCP. Also, pitbull owners tend to breed them in an attempt to make money or at least defray their exorbitant purchase price. The pound is full of them and their mixed breed progeny doomed bcause this is a working dog needing proper training and absolutely NEEEDS to be worked, not left at home.
They are like a .357 mag handgun. If there's an accident, it tends to be a lot nastier than, say, a .22 cal Pomeranian.
How about: special licensing, jail time and destruction of the dogs if needed, and changes in homeowner and landlord (!!) insurance rates, too?
posted by
majroj
on January 31, 2008 at 6:55 AM
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Re: Your friend's statistics are incorrect. Temple
we'll have to disagree on those evil dogs (and I even wrote that into my post that you and Holygrail would disagree with me) b/c all your research is slanted by pit bull lovers and mine is general information taken from news stories...as for my liver...well, its holding out. BTW - when roasted garlic isn't quite as potent as when its eaten raw.
posted by
FreeManWalking
on January 31, 2008 at 5:32 AM
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Your friend's statistics are incorrect.
I just did some homework. I looked in three places, and not one of them had the bite number that high, nor was it just pit bulls -- it was a combination of three or four dogs that, although many dogs bite, when they do it's worse because they are larger and stronger. Not to mention, that it's the owners who do not fix male dogs especially that hold the majority of responsibility, as it is the male unentered dog that is known to bite more than others. You only look at unfavorable information about pit bulls. I have friends that have them, my husband raised three that he had to give them away when he went into the Marine Corps (one of them at a time when he lived at home with Isaac, who was just a little boy and very must a pest to the dogs).
Look at things like LawDogs and ASPCA facts and statistics about the dogs. It wouldn't hurt you to know one or two either, they are actually very sweet. Yes, when they bite or attack, because they have such strong jaws (they do not actually lock like people think) they can do damage. But destroying an animal, especially a beloved pet, is inhumane and cruel. It's the owners who need education and punishment when things go awry.
More info can be found
here, with a history as well. Cesar Milan, The Dog Whisperer, has pit pulls around all the time, one of the coolest in fact I've ever seen. They CAN be trained. He talks about them in a
special article here. People need the training and education, and talking about destroying and entire breed of dog is sad and ignorant.
Your dinner sounded interesting, although I couldn't eat that much garlic. I hope your liver survives Nashville!
posted by
Temple
on January 31, 2008 at 4:24 AM
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