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Re: Red StatesMan
Happy Festivus to you Kooka.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 24, 2007 at 6:21 PM
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Red StatesMan
Seriously, what is wrong with you?
I am wishes to expand my understanding of the world. I write about my observations and experiences and I ask questions of those who have differing views than my own. For some reason everything I write seems to go over your head.
I really have no idea what you thought this post was about. I was just making an observation. I was not being judgmental and I was not criticizing. I was just pointing out that those most likely to have real issues with Christmas are actually Christians of a certain mindset.
As for this being an obsession? Well, at least I am not some paranoid fool who seems to believe that the ACLU is some kind of great world power that is behind all the evils in the world. It really is rater ridiculous for you to make such claims about obsession to anyone.
I hope you and your family have a great holiday though. I will be celebrating with my family, but it is clear we are not going to be celebrating the same things. I will be focusing on the joy and closeness of family and friends as being the reason to celebrate.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 24, 2007 at 9:57 AM
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Thank you Xeno-X
The same to you:)
posted by
b2008
on December 24, 2007 at 7:18 AM
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sorry guys but i still believe the same -- Christmas is Pagan!!!
Early Christians never celebrated Yeshua's birth. IN fact, in the Bible, the only two instances of birthday celebrations -- I think Belshazzar, son of Nebuchadnezzar -- (the writing on the wall) and Herod Antipas (when John the Baptist was beheaded). Not pretty celebrations.
The Pilgrims did not celebrate Christmas -- knew it was of pagan origin.
The problem with Christmas? -- If you proclaim again and again that it is such a "Christian" thing in the face of the evidence, then you are falling into a bottomless pit of deceit. It comes from celebrations that predate Christianity by centuries -- Babylonian mystery religion, etc., with Madonna and child (Isis and Osiris in Egyptian) -- and the tree and holly and other facets that came from extra-Christian Germanic beliefs -- idea was for the Church to obtain followers by assimilating parts of their religion (take a trip to Mexico to see how the native religion has been melded with Christian icons).
But there is something good with Christmas. I mentioned it in my blogs. It's the entire idea of hope -- promise of new life in the face of drear lifelessness. The celebrations of gladness in the face of a depressing landscape and atmosphere. Originally it was a community celebration.
And, of course, many aspects come from Druidic elements -- holly, mistletoe, the evergreen tree -- all elements of a worshipfulness of Nature and all Creation (if you want to call it that). Respect for the environment.
This transcends any argument for and against Christmas itself.
Possibly my daughter can get her friend to join her in celebration by just calling it a midwinter celebration of hope.
Maybe we all can see the celebration differently in that light. I don't know.
Any way -- have a good midwinter's feast.
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 24, 2007 at 7:07 AM
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Santa and Jesus
Our family celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior and we also believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny. Our children are 5 and 9. This was how it was done in my home as well as my wife's home. So be it.
If someone wishes to celebrate the festivus pole from Seinfeld then let them do so. If your sister wants to do whatever then let it be. You must remember your past, kooka. I see you turning into what you hate. According to earlier post and replies that you have made, it seems that Christians have pushed their beliefs on you and threatened you in the past. I am almost certain that you and your Dad probably have either heard of the Beatles or may be huge fans of the group. They sung a song about "Let It Be". I must say that you may approach this obsession with just that approach, let it be.
An atheist telling me that Jesus or God is nothing more than a fairytale then I must say the same about an atheist who does not believe in God but entertains the idea of life on other planets. So let it be.
You have spent many years on this topic. I have never spent this much time trying to debate an atheist or even writing about it. Why? Let it be. If your sister believes in something else then let her be. Isn't that what you wanted the Christians to do when they were hounding you about religion?
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 23, 2007 at 9:33 PM
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Good point!
I truly believe, however, that not many folks care anymore about how the holiday came about. People who were nurtured from family beliefs think of it as Jesus' birth and everybody gives gifts. Especially certain groups of people, I can say. To those, Christ's birth
is the reason for the season and that's all they care about. And to me, if your beliefs are
not impeding on others, what's wrong with it?
posted by
b2008
on December 23, 2007 at 8:26 PM
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Great post kooka!
We had neighbours, several years back, who informed their children as soon as they were old enough to grasp a concept, that there was no Santa and it was only Jesus that must be celebrated on Christmas day. Obviously each to their own but when stances fall so far to one side, that's when I believe problems arise. Extremely interesting post!
posted by
ginnieb
on December 23, 2007 at 10:26 AM
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