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Absolutely!...
...That's why I have questions and more questions. And then I'll question the answers:). Thanks for a great post.
posted by
b2008
on January 2, 2008 at 12:52 PM
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Good points, Ciel. And happy holidays...
posted by
saul_relative
on December 24, 2007 at 4:13 PM
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Your ambition(s) are awesome! I've often thought on the macro/micro worlds, and how we could spend a lifetime studying the molecules of only one tree branch! Yay,Santa!!
posted by
pen_dragon
on December 23, 2007 at 11:33 AM
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Ciel
It's really amazing how many things we accept as true and not acknowledge. My emotions are usually the barometer that let me know what the truth of my heart really is. Nicely done.
posted by
avant-garde
on December 23, 2007 at 3:12 AM
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Ariala, I actually do agree with your point
that a traditional belief may not be a wrong one. My point is that challenging those beliefs we are handed is a way of either up-dating, or reaffirming them, either of which is better than simply accepting them because we are told they are true.
I also believe that much of what Jesus taught, the keys he offered to comprehension of our relationship with the Universe, the Divine and with one another has been lost because traditions of interpretation have drawn the Christian faithful down certain paths at the expense of others.
I am, in fact, more of a faithful Christian than anyone here might suspect... It is questionable interpretation and faulty translation of the sources of information, and the religious packaging of the Christ's gifts that I take issue with. I think Jesus would, too.
posted by
Ciel
on December 22, 2007 at 6:52 AM
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I would have to agree with eyeshaveears470 on this one...we do have to
agree to disagree. Not all traditional beliefs are wrong just because they are traditional. There were many witnesses that recorded various aspects of Christ's ascension, yet people still don't believe in that...so much is lost to us because of unbelief and a need for something "new." Truth is truth, whether we believe it or not...Old truth is still truth, despite unbelief, in my humble opinion. I hope to believe truth despite my own feelings or lack of faith, and accept others on their paths toward belief and knowledge. Thanks for challenging us.
posted by
Ariala
on December 22, 2007 at 6:42 AM
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Thanks, Nautikos! As you say,
"...to the degree it is humanly possible..." And therein lies the beauty of the thing: we are full of potential, the possibilities far outstrip, I believe, where we ourselves have drawn the limits. We are capable of more imaginative thought, more creative and innovative impulse, and deeper perception than we have yet accomplished.
It is our spiritual nature to explore and experiment and push the limits, just as it is in our physical nature to clutch at what has proven safe and supportive of life, gratification and comfort. The trick is balancing these two impulses.
posted by
Ciel
on December 22, 2007 at 6:37 AM
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Ciel
Since it's Friday night, and my Friday nights are dedicated to FNM's, I won't be able to discuss this in detail, but I have a very strong sense that you and I share a particular view of the world. Let me quote you: "there is truly very little we can know in this world", from your comment to lindo in your previous post. I absolutely agree with that, it's my view as well. Having said that, I also think it is possible to know things to the degree it is humanly possible to know them, in that limited sense of 'absoluteness', as for example in mathemetics, but even beyond that. And that is why I still make a distinction between 'knowing' and 'believing', even if I often struggle with defining the boundaries...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 21, 2007 at 5:49 PM
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eyeshaveears, I agree to agree with you on this!
Sometimes we have to allow others to make their own mistakes--and that for them, what would be a mistake for us, is exactly the right thing for them. We can let other folks be wrong, now and then, even very wrong, when it doesn't really affect our own reality. And again, what is wrong for you or for me, might be right for them--'perhaps I am wrong'--always has to be part of the process of making and keeping peace.
Indifference-- I guess that is one end of the tolerance spectrum.
posted by
Ciel
on December 21, 2007 at 4:26 PM
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Ciel
Once again, your views can and I'm sure will instigate discussion amongst others, just as we all do. The bottom line I guess is, each to their own and I for one, would not openly or persistently push my views onto another. Just like you and every one else, I will explain my views and beliefs but would not force or intimidate others into believing my views. Also, it would be nice if we all got on peacefully and we all followed the same understanding etc, though to have indifference amongst mankind is also an interesting concept to have.
That popular saying that keeps springing up is that at times one simply has to Agree to Disagree, that in itself to me eliminates the risk of conflicts etc.
Take care.
Bless
posted by
UncharteredSoul
on December 21, 2007 at 12:00 PM
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Xeno-x
And yet--'good' and 'bad' are such subjective terms!
posted by
Ciel
on December 21, 2007 at 10:02 AM
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Whacky, and sweet Bo, that has to be a mind with a heart!
posted by
Ciel
on December 21, 2007 at 9:57 AM
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that which is good is not bad
posted by
Xeno-x
on December 21, 2007 at 6:34 AM
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The mind is its own place...where Santa lives!
from me and you know who =^..^= woof!
posted by
Whacky
on December 20, 2007 at 7:26 PM
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