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All of us, Naut-- sooner or later, one time or another!
posted by
Ciel
on December 19, 2007 at 2:57 PM
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Re: From the sublime to the ridiculous...
Well, some of them anyway, Ciel...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:47 PM
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From the sublime to the ridiculous...
oh, the absurdity of humankind!
posted by
Ciel
on December 17, 2007 at 11:15 AM
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Troosh
That is what puzzles me! One possibility is that he lied when he made that commitment. Another one is that he changed his mind later (I mean, people do!), but then he should do the honorable thing and resign. But what also gets me is that the 'body' of the church, the wider community, quite apparently accepts him. In the United Church he is by no means an isolated case...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 9:22 AM
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Naut
Given the reverend, prior to his ordination, would have been asked "Will you exercise your ministry in accordance with the scriptures and in continuity with the faith of the church?" it does seem a little strange he’s permitted to go around making statements which fall outside this definitive boundary.
posted by
Troosha
on December 17, 2007 at 7:59 AM
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Re: It's very confusing when politics and religion knit together.
Pat, you raise a number of valid questions, answers to which would lead us too far afield. Here, to put it in form of a question, my concern is only this: is it morally and existentially defensible for a man to take a position at the apex of an institution that is based on a certain faith, without himself subscribing to that faith?
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 7:05 AM
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Re: naut
Hi, rich!
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 7:02 AM
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naut
posted by
richinstore
on December 17, 2007 at 6:51 AM
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Offy hon,
Indeed! But hey, it's a cushy and 'important' job and probably pays damn well...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:42 AM
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It's very confusing when politics and religion knit together.
In this fabric threads get tangled up. We lose clarity about whether politics should be a religious experience or if religious should be political. Should the government regulate how you think and feel about the meaning of life and what's moral? Is it okay to support big corporations with tax breaks and grants but deny health care and a living minimum wage to working folks? And does it make any sense from a biological standpoint to tell hot teenagers just don't do it, when animal nature runs the blood and the church seems like a dried up old soul that forgot the dance and can't do anything but gossip and point shaming fingers?
posted by
Pat_B
on December 17, 2007 at 6:41 AM
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Corbin
What gets me is the amazing
hypocrisy in the whole thing...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:40 AM
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Thanks for the flower, afzal!
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:31 AM
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sam
Well, some of us are idiots...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:30 AM
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Tattered
Maybe he found an ordination as a prize in a box of breakfast cereals...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:28 AM
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This guy has no business being a minster of anything...Geez what's the world coming to?
posted by
Offy
on December 17, 2007 at 6:26 AM
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Justi
Well, the guy doesn't believe he'll end up in hell, and I dont either. But why would a man become a
minister in a religion he does not believe in? I mean, how bloody inauthentic can you get? I have absolutely no respect for that guy,
none...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:25 AM
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Krisles
I really don't know how a man like that can get ordained! Either he misrepresented his views, in other words, he lied, or, what is more likely, the basic tenets of the Christian faith are
really no longer relevant in that church. But then, why bother with
any of the religious trimmings? That, in my view, is the height of 'bad faith' (pun fully intended, lol) as discussed in the writings of Sartre, Camus and others...
posted by
Nautikos
on December 17, 2007 at 6:17 AM
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Naut.....
We have the same problem with the National Council of Churches........today it is nothing more than a Liberal political machine.........
posted by
Corbin_Dallas
on December 17, 2007 at 5:05 AM
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posted by
afzal50
on December 17, 2007 at 2:32 AM
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THE THOUGHTS OF HUMANKIND>>>>SAM
posted by
sam444
on December 16, 2007 at 10:17 PM
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nautikos
Hmmm.........gonna see if there is an online course where upon completion one can be ordained.
posted by
Tattered_Knight
on December 16, 2007 at 8:57 PM
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Naut
Since Jesus died, was buried, went to Hell and ascended into Heaven in order for us (Gentiles) to be able to have salvation and an eternal life I find the mans description blasphemy to say the least. This is what Jesus also said would happen, the man is on target. I do believe he will change his tune after death.
posted by
Justi
on December 16, 2007 at 8:54 PM
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Nautikos
This is incredible! How did this guy get ordained in a Protestant church? Of course, I dont' know anything about the requirements, obviuosly....guess I just kind of assumed a belief in some of the ....ummm, "basics"......
posted by
Krisles
on December 16, 2007 at 8:33 PM
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