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Justi
Very interesting post and great comments from all. I guess you could say that "the plot" thickens with the debate.
posted by
TAPS.
on December 23, 2007 at 10:50 AM
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in order for one to truly understand this post, which by the way is awesome really it is. One in my opinion must understand what it means to be joined together, to become one. Justi I think you are right, in order to understand this post, guidance must come from the holy spirit. The truth is like a double edge sword, you have read the scripture. It means it cuts both ways coming and going but the truth is, so does a lie in my opinion. In saying that I say this if one is not guided by the holy spirit, I have to ask myself does he/she mean harm, or not.
posted by
spinner
on December 20, 2007 at 8:28 PM
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Justi
I still think "For a man is actually loving himself when he loves his wife" still does not sound right and could be phrased better.
Also note what I said to RSM. I do disagree with the whole concept, because you need to love your spouse in a different manner than you love yourself. Do you make sacrifices for your husband that you would not make for yourself? I know if I was not married there are a lot of sacrifices I would not be making, just because it would only be my own needs I would have to worry about and so I would do without a lot more. But I have wife and then you add in the kids and there are many sacrifices I am going to make in order to meet their needs because I love them in truth more (Although that is not a fully accurate way to say it) than I love myself. I am willing to allow my self to suffer at some level, while I am not willing to let them suffer at those same levels.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 20, 2007 at 7:45 PM
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RSM
I was not attacking this post and I understood it just fine.
I was trying to make a joke and Justi did not get it. Obviously you lack a sense of humor yourself
I truth I understand the concept of love really, really well. In fact I could very much disagree with the idea presented here, because I do not love my wife as I love myself. I would never make the same sacrifices just for myself that I am willing to make for her. In truth once you put yourself into that kind of relationship, you have to love that person at a different level than you love yourself or it just won't work. I think that is one reason why so many people have relationship issues, they do not know how to love the other person in the right way and see that their needs are actually more impotent than yours. If both members of a relationship love in that manner, both get what they need and are able to get along really well. Of course what do I know? My wife and I get don't fight and we spend all the time we can together and generally have a much better relationship than any of the beliers I know.
You might want to grow up some and get a sense of humor. I keep thinking we are all adults here, and then you go and call a harmless little fun 'juvenile' just because you need to find ways to attack my character every chance you get.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 20, 2007 at 7:37 PM
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RedStatesMan
People who have no guidance from the Holy Spirit have nothing to hold the Word together with to the deep understanding it requires. Kooka doesn't mean any harm.
posted by
Justi
on December 16, 2007 at 10:57 PM
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Excellent Topic
I am stunned that so many people do not understand this topic. Leave it to the Women's Movement liberals to get in an uproar about wives being submissive. You explained this very well. People need to understand what these words mean but so many do not.
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 16, 2007 at 9:17 PM
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Re: That is just disturbing
For someone like Kooka who has been attacked by Christians on a daily basis while he is minding his own business, I find it difficult why he would attack your post. Kooka, you just don't get it do you? This is not some 'sexual' thing. Please keep the juvenile thought process out of this because you must think differently to understand what she was saying here. You just don't get it pal. GREAT post Justi, I know exactly what you mean. EXCELLENT!
posted by
RedStatesMan
on December 16, 2007 at 9:15 PM
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Sam 444
Thank you. I appreciate your reading.
posted by
Justi
on December 14, 2007 at 7:10 PM
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kooka-lives
I am sorry. I am often just really dense. Thanks for explaining.
posted by
Justi
on December 14, 2007 at 7:09 PM
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I am so excited for you, a great testamonial>>>>sam
posted by
sam444
on December 14, 2007 at 6:26 PM
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Justi, that was an off-color joke
I you didn't get it, then just move on.
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 14, 2007 at 6:24 PM
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Re:Soul Builder 101
Thank you for your comment. It is a mystery of God but in obedience we do become one spirit. Be blessed.
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Justi
on December 14, 2007 at 6:12 PM
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kooka lives
I am sorry this appears disturbing to you. I don't know why. I don't turn off loving myself when I am loving my husband because it is not a passive verb at our house. I simply love him and he loves me, we want the very best for each other in all cases. Neither of us is jealous of anything about the other or selfish toward them. Sometimes it takes a while to talk over an issue before it is totally acceptable to both but it ends up that way or it is changed completely. We are to love ourselves because we are created in the spiritual image of God. I can only say I apologize for disturbing you. Thank you for responding.
posted by
Justi
on December 14, 2007 at 6:11 PM
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I hold these same views as does my buddy Henry Makow! It's nice to see sanity projected on this site! The 2 become as ONE SPIRIT!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on December 14, 2007 at 6:02 PM
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That is just disturbing
For a man is actually loving himself when he loves his wife. I would like to think that when I 'love' my wife, it is unique from when I am 'loving' myself. Besides, isn't there something the Bible saying your not suppose to be 'loving' yourself?
posted by
kooka_lives
on December 14, 2007 at 5:35 PM
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