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FineYoungSinger - where they may be two different disciplines, popular art
will always influence iconography.
The next time you are in church, take a good look at the rendering of the man hanging on the cross. I'd bet he won't have black hair or olive colored skin and will be a lot closer to the images in this blog. I've never seen anything but a caucasian male depicted as the crucified Christ and appreciate that when I visit my elderly mother, it is like walking into a Jesus museum.
posted by
gomedome
on December 11, 2007 at 9:43 AM
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Re: FineYoungSinger - he probably looked a lot more like Yasser Arafat
Iconography and art are two different disciplines, and icons of Christ do depict Him more true to form than do some of the artistic renderings.
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FineYoungSinger
on December 11, 2007 at 9:29 AM
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FineYoungSinger - he probably looked a lot more like Yasser Arafat
Mind you, an image like that isn't nearly as "icon friendly"
posted by
gomedome
on December 10, 2007 at 5:38 PM
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bpitter2007 - you're going to have to play that card somewhere else
There is no need for anyone to have their feelings hurt by the blog content of another blogger. It is simply a matter of not reading offending blogs. When it is considered that the site user agreement does not allow us to disparage anyone specifically, to read someone's blog and become offended by what are non specific opinions, is nothing more than a case of self inflicted wounds.
What we say in terms of comments to others is an entirely different matter however, as they are directed at specific individuals or the content of their blogs. This distinction is important enough that it should not be confused. . . . and finally; when I am asked by someone who has a penchant to speak of religious constructs as if they are fact, or who callously uses all of the self serving derogatory catch phrases that religious folks do when speaking of those who do not believe in their God, to consider the feelings of others, my answer is always the same: "you first"
Then I suggest they find but one example of my ever leaving a remark on someone's post that suggested they were "limited". When they cannot find it they have proven to themselves that I never confuse the earlier mentioned distinction.
posted by
gomedome
on December 10, 2007 at 5:35 PM
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Re: GEPRUITT - how can you make a statement such as this and not realize that
...you might be suffering from a "mind fart". Have you taken an "ill pill" lately? You might need to see a doctor for hallucinations.
I'm only trying to lighten you head up. It's not nice to hurt people's feelings. But I guess you don't care about such things as feelings!
babs
posted by
b2008
on December 10, 2007 at 2:56 PM
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This is something I've been saying for years!!!
Jesus was not some waify blue-eyed stick figure with an English accent. Thank you for this!!!
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on December 10, 2007 at 2:06 PM
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GEPRUITT - how can you make a statement such as this and not realize that
it is offensive?
"Did it ever occur to you that maybe not everyone suffers from the same limitations as you?" . . . if you do not want to waste your time arguing with people, try not to leave bonehead remarks as comments. There certainly are a great number of people on this planet with greater perceptive capability than myself but this does not, as you imply, necessarily translate into a belief in God. A strong argument could be made for quite the opposite. To readily accept all of the implausable constructs of your religion without question, does not by any stretch of the imagination suggest any form of heightened awareness.
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gomedome
on December 10, 2007 at 6:19 AM
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Re: GEPRUITT - did it ever occur to you that I am able to see much more than
Of course, it is readily apparent that you are not the "average" person, and I do not at all qujestion the fact that you do, indeed, see more than that average person! I know you do.
I only intended to suggest that many more people, other than yourself, probably millions of them, see as much or more than you! Do you find this so offensive that you have to start attacking me verbally once your own "righteousness" is questioned? If so, then I apologise for asking the question in the first place, and let's end this dialog immediately. Few things are less worthwhile than argueing, and I will not waste my time doing that (I probably have far too little of that commodoty left as it is!)
Again, I did not intend to offend you, and I am sorry that I apparently did.
posted by
GEPRUITT
on December 10, 2007 at 12:06 AM
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GEPRUITT - did it ever occur to you that I am able to see much more than
the average person?
Probably not, nor do I suggest that this is so but I do tire of people making such a lame suggestion as you have just made. Not being able to buy into outmoded religious constructs is not by any stretch of the imagination a "limitation". On the contrary, a great deal of what you will insist are inexplicable experiences, science explains quite adequately. As for the rest, no one has all of the answers. Except possibly those who see nothing wrong in suggesting that others who do not believe as they do are suffering from some sort of "limitation".
posted by
gomedome
on December 9, 2007 at 11:08 PM
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Re: sam444 - a concept I can accept . . . but a spirit?
So? Did it ever occur to you that maybe not everyone suffers from the same limitations as you? Maybe others can "see" things you can't. Just think about it and try to be more broadminded. I feel certain that you have encountered "the inexplicable" more than once in your life. It may be a grave mistake to dismiss those events too quickly.
I did enjoy your post.
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GEPRUITT
on December 9, 2007 at 10:56 PM
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Re: sam444 - a concept I can accept . . . but a spirit?
So?
posted by
GEPRUITT
on December 9, 2007 at 10:40 PM
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bpitter2007 - I actually don't know if there is any way of knowing how
many people form an image in their mind based on a popular depiction.
Not so surprisingly however, almost all sensed presence experiences that manifest further into visions or hallucinatory mind's eye images, are found to be popular artist renderings of religious icons when described by the subject. Does this demonstrable fact matter? It should. It suggests that a prior knowledge of the image is necessary to experience its manifestation. At least in a recognizeable and describable form.
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gomedome
on December 9, 2007 at 6:36 PM
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sam444 - a concept I can accept . . . but a spirit?
posted by
gomedome
on December 9, 2007 at 6:23 PM
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Does It Matter really?
When I think of God or Jesus in my mind, of course I don't see him as having blond hair and blue eyes so pictures that are made of him like that everyone knows was made probably by a blond hair, blue eyed White man who believe that's the way God is supposed to look, I guess. I really don't think many people believe in those pictures, especially in today's world.
babs
posted by
b2008
on December 9, 2007 at 4:07 PM
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THE FLESH IS GONE>>>>>>JESUS IS A SPIRIT>>>>>>>SAM
posted by
sam444
on December 9, 2007 at 3:50 PM
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