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Wonderful post SB. I may have a virus here or infiltration of another means
in the midst of this comment I may disappear. I've clicked to comment you four times and have been booted into Google oblivion; so for now blessings and I must seek the voodo of a technofizzyishian.
posted by
roadscross
on November 2, 2007 at 4:10 PM
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AandB
Thanks guy! Nearly missed your comment, but it is good I rechecked!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:34 PM
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Davi6
Well commented! Question is do we follow the main thread of soul, or do we accept a detour in which we 'drown'?
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:31 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: soulbuilder101
we are east and west
posted by
Lanetay
on November 1, 2007 at 9:31 PM
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Re: i look forward as i have stated many times to the next great adventure,
Thanks Callista. Hope I can think of something!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:29 PM
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Re: Very informative and imo correct
Patmanplus, thanks for keeping my blog alive Bro! I appreciate your frank approach to life!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:28 PM
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Re: Aum Tat Sat! Atma ki jai ho! shalom--shanthi aum--amen!
Laydi D....., thanks for the multi-cultural greeting. I appreciate it, and the picture too!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:26 PM
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Re: Re: Re: soulbuilder101
Lustor, we are like East and West. I will try! Not today though...I am still answering comments!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:25 PM
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Mandalee
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:23 PM
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Antonio.......
Thanks for the comment Bro..... it is sad that this should be so. At least we can point it out!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:22 PM
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KaHae
Thanks for your comments and research. You never cease to amaze me! Thanks!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:20 PM
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Rich, riri.. and Kayzzaman
Thanks for reading and your comments!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:19 PM
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Night majik
I put the question to google and the result I got was that though generally, the figure in the West is around 25%, that figure is growing!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:17 PM
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FYS
http://reincarnation.ws.nazirene.org/
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:13 PM
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FYS
http://www.reincarnation_in_early_christianity.html
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:13 PM
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Fys
Tangible? Tangible means more or less physically available. Nope! I, like so many others, depend on researchers who have the credentials and the access to these scarce books. The Sinai Bible is one of the oldest....and it is in the British Museum. There has been a lot of book-burnings, bannings and expurgations which means that early versions of the Bible are very rare. The King James version is the first English Language translation. Other languages, like Greek, have their English translations now. If you have followed my earlier posts eg on 'Which version of the Bible are you reading?'.....I did give there, both links and information as to the circumstances under which the Bible was written. There did exist a Bible compiled in 325 AD at The Council of Nicea. At the Fifth Ecumenical council in 553 AD, Emperor Justinia and his harlot wife Theodora, finally put teachings of transmigration of Souls to rest. Pope Virgilus was powerless to prevent this 'anathema' even as he refused to attend the meeting. The Roman Emperor was 'boss'. Subsequent popes upheld this 'anathema' among others. Reincarnation was propagated by Christian philosophers like Justin Martyr (100-165 AD), Origen (185-254 AD) and by Jerome in the 4th century. Tony Bushby in all his books has delved in early Church history. In his book, THE BIBLE FRAUD, he affirms that transmigration became an 'anathema' (pp 223-224). He cites the Decree of the Fifth Council of Constantinople as his source. In his GLIMPSES OF LIFE BEYOND DEATH, Tony Bushby gives a more detailed expose' (pp 120-123). There are many internet resources available to anyone researching Reincarnation and the Bible. All you have to do is put the relevant searchwords in and up comes thousands of entries. Some of those entries I have read are...
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen03.html
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 9:08 PM
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I believe in re-incarnation. The mind has no pre identity. Only what we give it. The soul is alive. Since we start here in this HE AND SHE world or society or should I say instinctual enviroment which is not the first path of the soul but one of many should be takened or taught in a manner that meets the needs to this so called age of information.
posted by
NIGHTWRITE
on November 1, 2007 at 8:55 PM
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i look forward as i have stated many times to the next great adventure,
posted by
callista22001
on November 1, 2007 at 8:34 PM
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Re: if i had to chose, i would chose reincarnation.
Thanks Callista! There is ample evidence in the West, because of near death experiences, to support the existence of a Soul that survives death.
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on November 1, 2007 at 8:20 PM
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Very informative and imo correct
Joseph Campbell once remarked that the Bible was the 1st form of mythology that claimed to be literal. The Old Testament is nuts, very vulgar at times, idiotic at others...talking jack ass,whatever. Y know what's crazy? Beliefs. It's amazing imo that what you believe is more important than what is actually true. Because if the truth contradicts what you believe to be true, you simply don't recognize it. Also believing in ANYTHING that isn't true can make you happy. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IS TRUE IT MATTERS WHAT YOU BELIEVE. Shit, i have lost the ability to nourish false hope. To anyone that is happy for any reason, i'm happy for you...Se ya next life.
posted by
Sudanym_
on November 1, 2007 at 6:07 PM
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KaHae
i went back and read some of your posts. Yea baby..
posted by
Sudanym_
on November 1, 2007 at 5:50 PM
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KaHue
You are tooooo interesting. i like smart and nice. Anyway, enough about me.
posted by
Sudanym_
on November 1, 2007 at 5:49 PM
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Aum Tat Sat! Atma ki jai ho! shalom--shanthi aum--amen!
http://www.museums.norfolk.gov.uk/img/jackdaw2.jpg
posted by
ILLUMINATI8
on November 1, 2007 at 5:42 PM
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KaHae,
"The Pope recently approved the view that unbaptised babies don't go to limbo Vatican abolishes limbo, opening gates of heaven for babies a major change in Catholic thought."
This is not a good example. Limbo was never an official teaching of the church, meaning it was an idea tossed out there in discussion, but was never discussed at the doctrinal level, and never meant to be taught to the faithful. If you look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church, completed in 1992, there is absolutely no reference to "Limbo". It was an idea that should never have been taught. It therefore was not held as true, but taught in error.
Think of it along the lines of this: Once upon a time, the earth being flat was held to be true. Do we therefore continue to believe the earth is flat, simply because many people living when Earth's roundness was discovered still believed that the earth was flat?
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on November 1, 2007 at 1:40 PM
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Re: FineYoungSinger
So you are saying here that there is no way of knowing what the early Christians believed or taught, and therefore Soul's original comment in his post on this blog is incorrect? Soul, do you have anything to add?
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on November 1, 2007 at 1:22 PM
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FineYoungSinger
If it's the Aramaic you're wanting, you could go to
http://pes.scripturetext.com/matthew/1.htm
Seriously though, the New Testament in particular is derived from scraps of copied and recopied records of hearsay of hearsay, which someone has then chosen the 'best' version of. There IS no single 'original version' and there will always be debate about what something may or may not have meant. What you or I find is basically what we want to find - that's just how the filters in our minds work. I find most of the citations in the link I gave earlier highly ambiguous, but some of the quotes are too odd to fit readily into modern day orthodox interpretations of Chrisitianity.
http://bible.cc/matthew/1-1.htm gives different versions of Biblical text, but I think that in order to more accurately interpret what certain passages might or might not have been referring to it would be necessary to go to external sources. Unfortunately the period around and immediately after Christ's life was a time of considerable turmoil. An attempt at systematic recording of his teachings seems not to have occurred until later. Different people had different understandings of what Christ had taught. Arguments erupted over what was orthodox and what wasn't.
http://www.gnostic-jesus.com/articles/ contains a host of works that never made it into the "official" canon. Other fragments continue to be discovered. Many people cite Origen as the source of the theory that early Christianity embraced the notion of reincarnation and dismiss it as his invention, but my impression is that the notion of reincarnation of one form or another was extremely widespread at the time of Christ and even before this. There is an interesting article about 'reincarnation' in the Old Testament at
http://adishakti.org/_/reincarnation_in_the_old_testament.htm At the end of the day, I don't think it's ever going to be possible to determine definitively what early Christians believed, because there was no single, developed, belief system at that time. (You only have to look at some of the oddities in the link I gave in my earlier comment.) Christian thought had not yet been moulded into the rigid body of beliefs that constitutes modern day orthodox Chrisitanity (to the extent that there is such a thing). I suspect that there was a wide range of understandings of the message that Christ was trying to bring, but given how much of Christian thought and tradition is based on or incorporates earlier 'pagan' beliefs, it would not surprise me if a number of the early followers of Christ believed in reincarnation
of one form or another. And our understanding of the 'truth' continues to evolve. The Pope recently approved the view that unbaptised babies don't go to limbo
Vatican abolishes limbo, opening gates of heaven for babies a major change in Catholic thought.
Yet for many centuries that was held as true.
posted by
KaHae
on November 1, 2007 at 12:00 PM
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posted by
Amanda__
on November 1, 2007 at 8:00 AM
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Re: Re: soulbuilder101
ok I read it am I suppose to know what you wrote for me? write something I can focus on, no you dont know how to do that
posted by
Lanetay
on November 1, 2007 at 7:01 AM
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Good post.
posted by
A-and-B
on November 1, 2007 at 6:56 AM
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Yes, SB, materialism probably always was dominant but now it's more
achievable than ever before to wallow in material plenty, and spirituality has lost out correspondingly.
posted by
Antonionioni
on November 1, 2007 at 6:52 AM
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Re: Biblical references
Hi KaHae, thanks for the link. I read the verses, and I'd like to make two points:
1. The King James version of the Bible is not written in the original language, so discussing a specific meaning from a translation is open to wide debate.
2. Each verse and its assumed meaning regarding karma and reincarnation is really subject to interpretation. It depends upon how you read each verse---are they read in context with the rest of the passage?
Soul Builder, do you have any additional evidence to present that supports the claim regarding reincarnation and the scripture in your post?
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on November 1, 2007 at 6:06 AM
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Biblical references
Some of the citations at
http://www.powerattunements.com/article42.html ("King James Bible & Reincarnation") are interesting.
posted by
KaHae
on November 1, 2007 at 1:48 AM
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posted by
riri0322
on November 1, 2007 at 12:50 AM
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Re: soulbuilder101
Lustor I asked you and you never answered. You said make it(?????) short and sweet! I therefore went ahead and did a post with a BIGGER focus! Read it and see if there are no clues in there for you!
posted by
Soul_Builder101
on October 31, 2007 at 10:13 PM
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Good as usual.
posted by
Kayzzaman
on October 31, 2007 at 10:01 PM
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soul
thanks for sharing
posted by
richinstore
on October 31, 2007 at 9:29 PM
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That's something I always wondered about--
--how many Christians there are who believe in reincarnation, and how many not. I wish there was a way to get a statistic on that.
Reincarnation is such an interesting topic, in any religion, or even outside the context of faith.
posted by
NightMajik
on October 31, 2007 at 9:23 PM
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soulbuilder101
you lied to me
posted by
Lanetay
on October 31, 2007 at 9:21 PM
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Re: Hi Soul,
One other question: if you do have access to an earlier version of the bible that contains evidence as you've written in this blog, would you please tell me where I can find it? Thanks!
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on October 31, 2007 at 9:16 PM
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Hi Soul,
you write: "There is evidence that these teachings were in earlier versions of the bible, but were expunged by the Papacy." Can you provide some tangable evidence of this statement? Specifically, do you have access to a translation or a copy of these earlier versions of the bible?
posted by
FineYoungSinger
on October 31, 2007 at 9:15 PM
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if i had to chose, i would chose reincarnation.
posted by
callista22001
on October 31, 2007 at 9:11 PM
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